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scotsboyuk
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Would it be so hard to allow pubs that were run by smokers or those who didn't mind working in a smoking environment? Of course it wouldn't, but then that would show up the fact that many people enjoy smoking and like to do so in a social setting.
One thing that I enjoy immensely is to have a cigar after a nice meal. I can no longer do that in a restaurant and the government (in this case the Scottish Parliament) makes no provision for myself or anyone else who wishes to smoke. In New York establishments are allowed to have a 'smoking room' I believe, why can't we have those here?
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MWEB
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Maybe they are not accomodating smokers to ANY degree scots, this is ultimatly a health issue NOT a matter of personal liberties.
Allowing you lot to puff yourselves to death in some dank, fog ridden little room is not going to relieve the pressure on the NHS or the damage you cause to yourselves in the long term.
Heres my crumb of comfort though, seeing as smokers pay so much in tax i believe you all ought to get anti-smoking remedies FREE on prescription or free psychiatric counselling for those dumb enough NOT to want to give it up  .
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Cycovision
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The fact is, a blanket smoking ban is totally unnecessary. A huge number of public places, given the option, could and would set up EFFECTIVE smoking rooms whereby smokers could practice their habit in peace and non-smokers would remain unafflicted.
Many smokers are considerate smokers. I used to be one, until I gave up smoking. But I can assure you that I gave up before the ban, of my own accord. In fact, if anything, the ban has made me consider starting smoking again as a matter of principle!
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MWEB
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What principle is that my friend ?, euthanasia rights?.
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Cycovision
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Nope! Freedom of choice. I choose not to eat fast food, but you won't see me stood outside a McDonald's tutting loudly and telling everybody that, by munching on burgers and fries, they may end up killing themselves and / or costing the NHS a fortune
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MWEB
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True enough, but no one got killed by the adverse affects of being in the proximity of burger eaters did they .
IMO smokers can do what they like in their own homes or cars, so long as the stuff dont waft in my direction.
That being said Alcohol is IMO a much greater evil, Boy i come across as a real fun guy don't i LOL.
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Cycovision
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No, nobody has ever died through passive eating which is why properly enforced, closed-off separate rooms is the answer. All you need is a separate room (not area!) with an insulated door and an extractor fan fitted inside. No wafting smoke, no passive smoking
Ok, not all pubs, clubs, restaurants etc. would be able to do that but the point is that, those who can, should be given the choice to do so.
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paul101
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i have a very good temper but smoking bus drivers just p' me off and i end up snapping at them and i make all this fuss because when on a bus full of smoke from the bus driver i took a very bad atsma attack and ive had several attacks from ppl smoking near me
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Alexandra
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On 2007-07-17 22:38:09, paul101 wrote:
i have a very good temper but smoking bus drivers just p' me off and i end up snapping at them and i make all this fuss because when on a bus full of smoke from the bus driver i took a very bad atsma attack and ive had several attacks from ppl smoking near me
Same. I vomit in many circumstances.
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joebmc
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On 2007-07-17 21:03:18, mweb6161 wrote:
True enough, but no one got killed by the adverse affects of being in the proximity of burger eaters did they .
IMO smokers can do what they like in their own homes or cars, so long as the stuff dont waft in my direction.
That being said Alcohol is IMO a much greater evil, Boy i come across as a real fun guy don't i LOL.
True, but know ones been killed by passive smoking either. (or there is no proof of it)
The thing is, I bet if cigarettes were odourless and the smoking was invisible but the same alleged “heath risks” to others was still there, there would be no ban in force!
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Adz21
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end of the day smoke DOES damage your health and everyone else around you and as a none smoker ( i used to smoke ) i have the right to go out drinking and not come home stinking of smoke and have it damage my health at the same time. It is a filthy habit and most smokers agree with that. the choice to smoke has not been taken away from you its just you cant do it where ever you want now. Its catch 22 its your choice to smoke and its mine not to. was it not proved that roy castle died of lung cancer caused by passive smoking in smoky clubs where he played the trumpet? |
Cycovision
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was it not proved that roy castle died of lung cancer caused by passive smoking in smoky clubs where he played the trumpet?
No, it was never proved. I'm not saying that passive smoking doesn't exist or is not a real danger, but no death from lung cancer has ever been conclusively proved to have been caused directly from passive smoking.
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batesie
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how many people die from alcohol related diseases, and then how many people are killed from secondary alcohol - the ones run down by drunk drivers etc?
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joebmc
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I bet if mobile phone masks gave off a slight smell and every now and then, produced a greenish haze but the same heath risks remained, we wouldn’t have them.
Seems to me most people who are in favour of this ban favour it because they don’t come home smelling of smoke and the “heath risk” is an after thought.
Re: Roy Castle, it maybe that passive smoking caused his death or it may not be the case there’s no proof either way.
You could put a new born baby in a bubble feed it the most pure air all its life and it could still develop lung cancer.
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batesie
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all good points but all of this is sadly ignored.
house of commons bar. you can still smoke there.
but most non smokers wouldnt care about that anyway!!!
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