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Have Sony Ericsson finally taken the lead in global mobile phone solutions? |
Super G
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On 2005-03-04 11:58:51, Arne Anka wrote:
@SuperG
First og all Edge is concidered to be 2.5G not 3G (if you read that somewhere they have misslead you). Then there is a big difference in having Edge in-service and planing for it. According to your own source 64 comercial UMTS and 56 Edge networks exist so far.
With a 128kbps connection you have to compress the video heavely. At best you will end up with choppy (how much depending on how many user there are in the network) QCIF resolution. I don't call that good quality.
Sure GSM will not vanish for many years. And as I said, Edge will be of choice in parts where there is no economical benefit from UMTS (it is a more expencive technology after all). But the discussion was why SE do not release that many Edge phones. And the guess was, probably because their biggest market (europe for instance) mainly invest in UMTS networks and where there are UMTS, people will more and more leave the GSM and buy UMTS handsets instead.
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@Arne Anka. Check ITU specs. If you know how to do that... But maybe not, obviously, else you would not have said what you just said.
The source I mention is public figures. The reality is very different, believe me. (or dont, I wouldnt care less).
Saying EDGE is old technology -which does hurt me somewhere to be honest- is really not knowing what you are talking about. And I believe you actually dont know anything about that, obviously...
People wont leave GSM and buy UMTS phones. That's an entire misconception. People might buy dual-mode phone and this is very very different.
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Super G
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On 2005-03-04 12:20:41, Arez wrote:
SE made the choice to putt all their effort on 3G...thatīs why SEīs phones are the best in that area right now(ex v800)...IMHO thatīs the best strategy, EDGE wonīt mean anything in countrys were people HAVE money to spend in the expensive EDGE or UMTS phones. This way SE they avoid spending resources in a non profitable area.
@Super G, do you now how important is and was the role o Ericsson and SE in the development of something so "little" in the mobile industry as BLUETOOTH!??
You acuse people here about being "die hard SE fans" but you donīt realize you are almost completly blind by youīre nokia fundamentalism
I agree with the starter of this topic: this late SE releases realy made me more enthusiastic about SE...and we still have to expect new clamshell and new UIQ phones - iīm betting my money theyīll also kick ass 
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[ This Message was edited by: Arez on 2005-03-04 11:22 ]
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I havent accused anyone about being "die hard SE fans". But it obviously makes you happy to think so. I'm defending some technology which you are all forgetting. You are defending an orange looking phone with a walkman logo. Wow. FIne be my guest.
As to non profitable area (mentioning EDGE), you dont know either anything you're talking about. Ask Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens for instance if its not profitable...
Ah and first PDA phone was a Nokia 9000 communicator, long long long before P800 showed up. (When  realized that hey PDA maybe good to have). |
ares
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Well itīs so non-profitable that SE put it apart...itīs strategy, they choosed to focus in what they think is gonna have bring more revenues in the future
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Super G
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@ Arez
This is where your point doesnt hold.
does believe in EDGE (They are smart people, you know) and do know the benefits of it (unlike a few people in this forum... anyway, off topic), but they only offer it in the US. I know that's supposed to be called "strategy", yet EDGE is widespread in APAC, in Europe, in US, in South America. So what the heck?!
Operators are key to the success of a mobile vendor, not just in the US.
I'll tell you what. People in this forum just put EDGE down simply because their dear phone does NOT support it, or simply because they have absolutely no clue about it. Even if they know (though I doubt it, except for a few...) how good it is and what it enables, they'd rather say that it's meaningless.
Anyway, I let mmsman watch his video (not his real-time video streaming on his P800...). If he's happy with that, I wont argue. |
ares
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Well, i donīt believe in EDGE...the fact the it never came here to Portugal shows that...weīve been always a good country to test mobile technologies (almost 92% population with mobile), and no one cares about EDGE...
"EDGE is widespread in [...] in Europe"
Oh is that so??? Please tell me where can you??? Western countries please...i know lotīs of people from italy, nederlands, uk, germany, france and not a single one use our have EDGE, but some have 3g phones...please enlighten me will you???
My friend, the fact that you stated SE never done anything inovative in the mobile industry (!!!) really show how biased you are, so you can say what you want... |
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On 2005-03-04 15:25:18, Super G wrote:
Anyway, I let mmsman watch his video (not his real-time video streaming on his P800...). If he's happy with that, I wont argue.
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again I don't have a clue what are you on about, as I said 3g streaming videos are awesome, I haven't checked them on v800 as Vodafone only offers edge here but I checked them on z1010 via mobitel umts, again the quality is very good, no lag at all, gprs videos are quite crap and I only tried it once on the p series, I just wanted to point out that streaming videos are and were a part of se high end devices and I was quite surprised to see such ignorance from a user which I believe has a lot of knowledge in the mobile world
and about the pda thing, Im sorry I misunderstood, I was thinking of touchsreen based mobile phones, sure nokia was first with such "smart" phones as some call them but I always referred to them as communicators because of the handling,
imho se is a small company in numbers but considering the money they spent in r&d and considering that it is founded by ericsson which is a global leader in telecommunications and Sony which is one of the largest electronics manufacturer, I see from these aspects as se being a very strong company, you may see it differently and Im not going to argue but proving yourself right is impossible here, se only offers edge in America with s710a and z500a, they have cancelled their z500i with edge which was intended for the emea market, imho that is a clear hint that se is more focused on 3g at least for Europe,
and just deal with it, don't expect an edge phone and you will be ok, I wasn't expecting one.... but they did release two awesome 3g phones and two awesome gsm phones and Im happy with that...
and about that orange mobile with a walkman sign on it, a little ignorant to call it like that considering se clearly stated they are going to release a walkman line which has influence from Sony and take your time and flip through your Sony catalogue (if you have one) and I think you will see that this are the main symbols of walkman designs...
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mib1800
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i think some of you lost the point when u reminisces how good SE was. SE is like Apple Computer. It has a lot of good thing but it looks more and more like suffering the same fate as Apple.
Even with the so-called "great advances" highlighted by SE fans, SE is still languishing in 6th position and can only increase market share at a snail pace (+1% per year). An this is at a time when SE is having the best growth. At this rate SE can be number ONE in about 20 years.
Even embattled Nokia can claw back extra 3-4% market share in just a couple of months. So SE maybe the case of wonder-boy who can't deliver.
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slattery69
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part of the problem with se is there phones do so much more than the average phone buyer needs. nokia handsets while often not as advanced do seem to meet the customers needs and seem to be more able to communicate what there devices do.
i often feel se put everything they can into a handset and while its great for gadget freeks (myself included) the mass market just gets turn off. the majority of people make calls, text take pics and want a ringtone.
se and there die hard fans seem to focus on everything but these features on there phones thus turning off a lot of potential buyers by making them feel like they are buying something they will never use all the features of.
look at nokias series 60 phone i bet most users dont even scratch the surface of what the devices can do yet they still sell by the boat load, why? because nokia dont pitch them as high tech devices just a phones with a bit extra.
i do think that se make some great phones( and some crap ones) but they need to communicate them better to the public. also there designs are very bland, i know nokia tend to come out with some very odd designs but people do seem to want something a little different another area that se maybe need to look at |
max_wedge
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@superg
"I'm defending some technology which you are all forgetting."
You are forgetting how fast technology changes in this industry. Edge has failed to catch on in any significant way, and is only a transitional technology. Edge is a type of multiplexed gprs connection roughly three times the capacity of normal gprs, but requires special hardware to send and receive these specially modulated gprs packets. Edge IS 2.5 G (GSM) and is highly limited broadband compared to any number of systems planned by mobile phone carriers to be implemented in the next few years. 3 G services are already faster than edge.
"As to non profitable area (mentioning EDGE), you dont know either anything you're talking about. Ask Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens for instance if its not profitable..."
If it is so profitable, why do SE have so few EDGE handsets?
"Ah and first PDA phone was a Nokia 9000 communicator, long long long before P800 showed up. (When realized that hey PDA maybe good to have)."
The first PDA phone? hahahahahaha. Sorry but I hardly class the Communicator as comparable to a full touch screen smart phone like the P800. That's like comparing a 500K pocket organiser with a Pocket PC. Sorry Communicator fans, I'm not dissing it, it's a cool bit of tech for it's day, but Nokia brought that one out and then completely rested on their laurels over it.
The P800 is much better value for money given relative markets at the time of each phone's introduction. The communicator was a gimmick, the P800 was an actually useful PDA.
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@max, although i agree that 3g is here, it is available in some select countries only, in japan and mainly in europe. But there are quite a few other markets where 3g is yet to arrive and due to high cost, it may never take off as well. For such markets a technology like EDGE is good enough. Currently, we in India feel let down by SE's EDGE non capability issues. Here gprs is very cheap and people are using it to connect to the net instead of dial up and Dsl connections.
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mib1800
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SE needs to start some serious design initiative instead of rehashing the T610 over and over again.
K750i being the point. Its design is so plain & cheap looking. People may just mistake it for being an entry level phone selling for a premium. |
tindo196
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se taken the lead you wish |
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NOKIA, still tops the record for handheld mobiles mates !
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Yup. :-D
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. . . Yeahhhhoooo for Nokia !
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