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kimcheeboi
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yasser arafat is not an internationally respected figure. He's reviled by just as many people that respect him. Such a man is not 'internationally respected.' He also has done nothing to stop the suicide bombings in israel, and i have no respect for him because of that.
He could be an important figure to making peace in the middle east, but he's not.
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axxxr
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On 2004-11-08 00:24:04, dave_uk wrote:
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I would reckon that it would be fair to assume that most Israelis would consider themselves enemies of Yasser Arafat and the terrorism his reign perpetuates.
Do you wish that all Israelis would burn in hell?
Perhaps all Jews?
Or maybe the majority of the peace-loving Western World, including those whose family and friends died in 9/11, who would all surely count themselves as enemies of terrorism, and may even support Bush in his War on Terror (whatever his true motivation) - I think all these people are enemies of Yasser Arafat, I certainly am.
Should they all burn in hell? Or do you perhaps have a responsibility,as a "member of staff" on this forum, to post a little more responsibly??
Apparently not...
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Yassar Arafat is a great leader and a hero in the eyes of millions of people in the arab world and rightly so after all he has been fighting for a free homeland for his people since the israels takeover of palestinian territory in which israelis have murdered thousands of innnocent men women and children...Sharon who you now think is a respected leader played a huge part in the mass murder of thousands of palestinians during his time in the army...Killing in retaliation by palestinians is only just,after all what would you do if someone invaded your home and murdered your family...palestinians are fighting occupation and aggression by the israelis..and its a enivitable part of war those people die on both sides..Yassar arafat is very misunderstoon in the west as a leader....and people such as yourself consider him a terrorist when in fact as i mentioned sharon has commited more attrocities than arafat...I have nothing against jews,i have a lot of jewish friends..my g/f is in fact jewish...i just dislike anyone who is against palestine and the palestinians...After all palestine was there way before any Isreal exsisted..The palestinians are refugees in there own land...Terrorism was created because of the unjust action againt the palestinians by the israelis,..if you read your history you will find that there was no terrorism before the establishment of israel...Terrorism is a creation of the west as so are many of the other problems we have today in the world...Yassar arafat is just a scapegoat for problems the israelis have created.
Don't tell me about what responsibilities i have and i would i should and should'nt be saying..I am just freely expressing my opinion..you have a right to your opinion and i should have mine!
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kimcheeboi
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but an anti-israeli attitude gets you no further than an anti-palestinian attitude.
I don't like the guy because he has the power to stop some suicide bombers, because they respect him so much, but he doesn't.
Innocents should never be held accountable for others' faults, and there is no reason why israeli children should die just as much as there was no reason for those russian kids to die.
I cannot condone the use of violence to achieve a political goal.
And the end never justifies the means.
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axxxr
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On 2004-11-08 02:33:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
but an anti-israeli attitude gets you no further than an anti-palestinian attitude.
I don't like the guy because he has the power to stop some suicide bombers, because they respect him so much, but he doesn't.
Innocents should never be held accountable for others' faults, and there is no reason why israeli children should die just as much as there was no reason for those russian kids to die.
I cannot condone the use of violence to achieve a political goal.
And the end never justifies the means.
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And who told you arafat had the power to stop suicide bombers?..this is what i mean by lack of information in the west..Let me enlighten you kim..Suicide bombers are just ordinary people just like you and i..men,women and even children...most of them are not part of any so called "terrorist group" or organistion!..just ordinary everyday folk and who have no lives..attacked daily by israeli soildiers...cant go out confined to there homes because of curfews..they cant get jobs,there family members shot and killed by israeli soildiers..there have nothing to live for so they take revenge!..Arafat has no control over these people ..they just go and do what they think is right!..killing is not the answer of course in any case...but like i have said before desperate people do desperate things!...Its easy to blame Arafat but he cannot stop these people!
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kimcheeboi
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but you just said that these people respect arafat as a leader! Certainly he can speak out against these bombings and at least influnce his fellow palestinians to condemn suicide bombers.
He hasn't even taken the time to censure these terrorists, and that's what i don't respect about him.
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axxxr
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On 2004-11-08 03:36:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
but you just said that these people respect arafat as a leader! Certainly he can speak out against these bombings and at least influnce his fellow palestinians to condemn suicide bombers.
He hasn't even taken the time to censure these terrorists, and that's what i don't respect about him.
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They do respect him as a leader but even they feel arafat isn't doing anything to end there plight,so they take matters into there own hands...Arafat has always told his people against suicide bombings..but really these people who are ready to go and kill themselves must have nothing to live for!..I mean come on you have to be pretty desperate to commit suicide don't you think?...You keep forgetting this is a war between two seperate peoples....and one is heavily armed to teeth and the other just basic weapons...so they use suicide bombings against israels heavy weaponry!...
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kimcheeboi
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they use suicide bombers against civilians--women and children. Innocent people.
Don't you realize that suicide bombers are no better than the terrorists who caused 9-11, the people who bombed the trains in Spain, the murderers who attacked an elementary school in Russia, the nightclub bombings in Bali, etc. etc.?
I guess your view wholly depends on how you see things--i mean Bush is respected by very many people (although i don't know why)...
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axxxr
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On 2004-11-08 03:58:00, kimcheeboi wrote:
they use suicide bombers against civilians--women and children. Innocent people.
Don't you realize that suicide bombers are no better than the terrorists who caused 9-11, the people who bombed the trains in Spain, the murderers who attacked an elementary school in Russia, the nightclub bombings in Bali, etc. etc.?
I guess your view wholly depends on how you see things--i mean Bush is respected by very many people (although i don't know why)...
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Yes the same way israel bombs homes with women and children,Israeli army shoots live rounds at young kids in gaza...What exactly do u want the palestinians to do?...sit there and and get shot at and do nothing?...they have no army or weapons to fight against an israeli army...Israel has killed way more palestinians than the palestinians have killed israeli's!...Israel army murders innocent palestinian men women and children on a almost daily basis your not calling them terrorists are you....why?
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kimcheeboi
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i never said that israelis shooting at palestinians was justifiable, in fact i condemn their actions.
I don't want to pick a side, because they're both just as bad.
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absinthebri
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Both sides are not 'just as bad'. How many UN Security Council resolutions condemn Palestine? How many countries have the Palestinians invaded and continue to illegally occupy?
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govigov
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May god bless him.
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dave_uk
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Palestine does not exist, so how would expect there to be any UN Security Council resolutions condemning it, and as for the "who was there first argument", I would love to know where you think you have gleaned enough research on this to even go there.
Let's just condemn suicide bombers who blow up innocent New Yorkers and defend the ones who blow up innocent Israelis, because they obviously deserved it for being Israeli and, hey, the Palestinians were provoked so that makes the world's biggest double standard just fine.
The Palestinians do not want their own state, they want to free Israel of the Israelis and have it for themselves. That is why, when 98% of Arafat's demands were met at Camp David, the deal was refused. That is why they teach Palestinians in schools to hate the Jews. That is because they have done f**k all with the land that they do have and would now like to take advantage of what a civilised culture has been able to build on the same land where they live in their own shit!
If you think the Palestinians are just a persecuted people, only wanting that which is rightfully theirs, and the ability to live in peace with the Israelis, and that the denial of these things therefore justifies killing innocent Israelis in such a way as they should fear to leave their houses or travel on their own public transport, then you should seriously consider running at the next US Presidential Election.
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BobaFett
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So this thread turned to this... Sad... @dave an antisemite is the opposite of a semite. The phrase semite incl the jews and several arabians tribals, according their common past in history, so on some way palestinians aswell.
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On 2004-11-04 17:46:23, Vlammetje wrote:
They say he's dead here but apparently the palestines deny? :-l
Wonder where they'll bury him. He always wanted to be buried in Jerusalem.
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This will NEVER happen ! As Israel's PM - Sharon made some pronouncements time and again . . . |
dave_uk
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I apologise for bastardising the thread if that is what you feel I have done. For reasons I would have thought are fairly obvious, I feel quite strongly(!) on the subject, and some of the hypocrisy and blatant disregard for the truth makes me feel that I have to defend the position of "my" people. I do, however, recognise that, rightly or wrongly, some people, such as yourself, want nothing more than to honour a man who you innocently feel deserves that and there is nothing wrong with that. Unlike some, I can see both sides of the equation, even if I do not necessarily agree with them.
When saying that axxxr is anti-semitic, perhaps I should be more explicit and clarify that I am referring to Jews, which is the current and more popular meaning of the word.
Oh, and the chances of Arafat being buried in Jerusalem are on a par with Bush being buried in Fallujah...tomorrow!
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