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bmsantillan
Joined: Dec 11, 2002
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I think gwb's middle name is “white house”.. There's something in that family that only half of the americans know.. Good luck to the world!
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scotsboyuk
Joined: Jun 02, 2003
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As much as I don't want to see Bush as President and as much as I think those who voted for him did so foolishly, I still have to respect the fact that he was elected democratically, that is by a majority of the American people. I really thought and hoped that John Kerry was going to win, but unfortunately he didn't, so in that greatest of British traditions I suppose the only thing to do now is to keep a stiff upper lip and make the best of it.
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snap-hiss
Joined: Nov 06, 2002
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On 2004-11-03 23:55:25, knight4led wrote:
@Vlamm
Thank you, for once somebody posted something I agree with. I may not have voted for Bush, but he is still going to be my president. I don't plan on abandoning my country becuase there may be a few bad years.
The entire world having a f*ck Bush so f*uck the US attitude isn't gonna help. Everyone turning their nose up and walking away isn't gonna help any more than Americans who don't like it leaving the country. You have no chance to affect change if you don't stick around to do something.
Until now I have avoided these political threads like the plague. But I finally had to support Vlamm on this one.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I seem to have hit my limit. I can only vote against someone so many times and if it goes beyond that and that person is still f'ing up my life/country/planet there's not much more I can take.
Like I said before I've voted against Bush 3 times. I've given my support, time, and money to help the Democrats win my state (PA) and have been successful in both of the last two elections, however there is nothing I can do about the idiot South and uneducated rural america that continues to vote for this piece of trash.
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kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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I know i've gotten kerry at least 30 votes (i can't vote, i'm 17) but i'm not going to stand for this ultra-conservative politics. And i can't do anything about it! Checks and balances don't exist!
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goldenface
Joined: Dec 17, 2003
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A lot of people are dismayed, to say the least, at what has happened today.
The next few years, in my opinion, are going to be quite hair-raising for everyone.
The 'Coalition' is fighting an enemy it can't see, and a President is in power that shouldn't have been elected in the first place. God help us all but I agree with Vlam. Jumping ship is not the answer. What will be the opposition be if everyone leaves?
Grin and bare it and do what you can to make the change.
@ScotsboyUk. I agree the Brits right now are very cynical about politicics and don't seem to be able to make a difference to any political outcome.
Democracy has been twisted and manipulated to such an extent it just isn't democracy anymore.
@MJdub
is there really a chance you may get drafted? How scary is that?
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Well that's LIFE American mates . . . you just have to LIVE with that ! @axxxr, so I won the BET . . . you just know what to do now - OK  |
snap-hiss
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is there really a chance you may get drafted? How scary is that?
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There is a definate chance. It's not so much scary as it is wrong. I have no problem with war, I have no problem going to war, however I have a problem with war I don't believe in, and I have a big problem being involved in a war I don't believe in.
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goldenface
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@Snap. I agree with you completely, but what will you do if you are drafted? I can't imagine the situation getting better now Bush has his sights on Iran. .Can you go to prison if you refuse?
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kimcheeboi
Joined: Dec 19, 2003
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From: Abducted by hot blondes to Les
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Yes burning your draft card is a felony.
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Vlammetje
Joined: Mar 01, 2003
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so do you all expect the gap between democrats and republicans to grow bigger in the coming four years? Instead of closing?
How will that affect your nation?
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batesie
Joined: Feb 13, 2004
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WOOSH. there go's our planets environment down the pan for another 4 years. Bush and 59m people are very narrow minded and selfish...
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alpal
Joined: Jun 28, 2004
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I think we are all aware like Vlammetje said that democracies mean we all vote based on national borders, and quite frankly I wouldnt even mind if Bush becomes president of Timbabtu. The problem is US is the most powerful country and the policies of the US president does have an impact of the rest of the world. Maybe if US starts attacking Amsterdam (Vlammetje), you'd get a bit of perspective of things. I have my origins in Iran and yes I am pissed off with Americans for voting Bush in coz you know what, my hometown might be the next target of Bush's liberalization movement.
To me this election was at much a referendum on Bush's policies as it is of American's intelligence. While nearly 50% passed the test, I think the other 50% failed miserably. I mean come on, forget the usual dilemma between the interest of the world V local interests or foreign policies V national policies, even if Americans were all selfish and didnt gave a twat bout the rest of the world, they should have voted him out coz he was screwing up America (economy, job loss, privatizing social security). Unbelievable!!!
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nickorooster
Joined: Sep 28, 2004
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From: UK (Originally NZ)
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Well, New Zealand must be the most sensible country I've really seen... Johnny Howard as Dubbya's best buddy, Blair as more than just a buddy... Well, I'm sure if you behave urselves NZ will let you in.
If I was still under-down-under, then I'd let ya'll in...
Your ticket would be an election slip with Kerry or Nader (or others) punched.
Nick
Edit: Hey man, don't apologise. You did all you can in your semi-democratic society. Honestly the whole "State points" system sucks. If you win a state, you get all of that state's points. Why not just split them, or even have a whole country vote, instead if separate state votes.
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Vlammetje
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On 2004-11-04 10:03:13, alpal wrote:
Maybe if US starts attacking Amsterdam (Vlammetje), you'd get a bit of perspective of things.
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aha. having an opinion you do not share is lack of perspective.
Maybe you'd be interested to know that my country houses the international court. The very same court mr Bush has vowed to denounce. The same court mr Bush has said will suffer the consequences if ever an American is tried there.
You'll be most pleased to know a law was passed under mr Bush's administration that dictates that America has allowed themsleves to invade my country in the interest of any Americans tried by said international court.
Everybody in my country knows this. I doubt many americans still remember this though. And if they do..... perhaps to them it may be a PLUS rather then a minus.
That too is all a matter of perspective.
Truth is that i am not too worried about any US invasions over here. Because I am convinced the International Court will yield to the US and no american will ever stand trial there. Is justice served by this? Not at all. Does anybody care? Not at all.
The fact that 59 million Americans choose Bush does not make every single one of them an idiot. Some of them truly believe he's on the right course. Others think he oughta fix his own mess first.
But most think changing commands during ongoing war (suddenly it is a war again then...) would be a bad thing to do and might prove harmful to the troops overseas.
And if it were your son out there..... that may well be the biggest issue on your mind.... 'how to get him back home safe and sound'
Some perspective for you perhaps. Americans are just like humans. They worry for their children, they worry for their society. They are afraid of what the future might hold.
And for some reason.... they hope Bush will prove to be the stronger man.
Time will tell.
Being pissed off at all americans won't help much though. What are you going to do? Corner every American you meet on the street and have a go at them? you know what that will do? It will make them more determined. Your only hope of making the 59 million see your perspective is dialogue. Not with Bush but with the 59 million. And you have 4 years to make it happen. You and everybody who is with you.
I wish you much wisdom. Much tolerance. And most of all a broad perspective.
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knight4led
Joined: May 27, 2004
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From: Califonia, USA
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As before I find myself agreeing with Vlamm on this issue. I don't see that the attitude most people are taking to this whole process is either progressive or hinting at a plan.
The modern world has been plagued by a lack of conviction or action. Every large political organization in the world today acts more as a guarantee of status quo than a lightning rod for positive change. We've all learned to hide behind our political alliances and cast judgement but not act. Bush, whether right or wrong, is one of the few leaders in the world today acting on his convictions.
As much as a large portion of the world descries the action taken by the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq, I've really seen no real effort to put an end to it. How many European citizens flew to the U.S. and campaigned against Bush and his policies? How many of your nations sent aid in the form of military equipment or military personnel to Afghanistan or Iraq to stop the U.S.?
My point here is that there is an abundance of rhetoric against the U.S. and very little follow through. If you feel strongly enough about world politics to complain about them on this message board day after day, find a way that you personally can make a difference. |
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