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Vlammetje
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they would most likely just open a thread 'PLEASE HELP! Gimme themes!' 
oh well..... no matter....... I've been told the mods will discuss a policy on the matter.... I will simply wait amd see what it is 
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richy240
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I agree that this ban is stupid and petty. But, as stated many times before, Esato moderators have the power to do whatever they want to... it is their site.
Unfortunately, this is a lame excuse as far as I am concerned. Just because you have power to do something doesn't mean you should do it - just look at G.W. Bush! (I know, this isn't a political forum - sorry.)
I think we have to understand that everyone has an agenda. Esato moderators might be worried their members might go to m9 instead of use Esato. (After all, in my opinion it is a nicer and more complete site all-around.)
I guess we'll see what happens.
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masseur
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you guys keep talking about this being a moderator decision but it is not. this is wholly laffens decision. moderators are only here to enforce the rules and keep some sort of order.
so please don't give us moderators a hard time over this particular issue. ta!
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BritishBulldog
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I understand you feeling bad about not being able to show off the themes you have made but at the same time it seems only fair that Administrator blocked other forums which are in competition or because of any of the other factor he already explained.
In my opinion laffen already explained the reasons well and clear in the other thread and all the popular forums do block threads which deliberately or not advertise other forums. Wouldn't you do it if you were the admin and the owner of this forum? I would. Especially when not many of us are contributors (monetory) to this website its only fair what Laffen is doing now.
PS: Someone said above it would be a 'Hell of a task' to delete all the threads with reference to Mobile 9, but don't you think Laffen or the mods could do a search on the word Mobile 9 and delete all those thread at one go? 
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Vlammetje
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I'm sure he could. And perhaps he might.
As this site is a hobby of laffens (or supposed to be) and the themes and the whole of m9 are also just a hobby site... I completely and utterly fail to see the rivalry 
I think 'competition' really is a much too heavy way of thinking about it. I post at many forums but no less at Esato because of it  nor do many others.
It's not as if esato's position is now or was ever in any danger because there are other forums
Besides I fail to see how the 2 sites (M9 in this case) are of any competetion to one another one being  oriented one being 'contents and creation' oriented for a diversity of phones. How is there any possible conflict of interest there?
And yes it's laffens site, laffens policy and laffens decision.
This is a forum though. We joined here to voice our opinions on certain things. There is nothing wrong with challenging the stuff yiou don't like. There is nothing wrong with questioning policies and asking for a clearer defined one. At least it'll keep laffen sharp
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richy240
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@masseur
You're right. The m9 ban isn't your fault as a monderator. I apologize.
@BritishBulldog
You're a nazi. (Just kidding.) Why would you block your competition? If someone is competing with you and their product is better, that is YOUR problem. This is supposed to be an open forum for free discussion. The fact that laffen is blocking m9 shows that he sees m9 as a threat to Esato's member base. (Because god knows no one is abusing their right to post a link to m9 - that is a bunch of crap, and laffen knows it as well as we do.) I have a theme site, and just because someone designs a nicer theme than me doesn't mean I'm NOT going to post it... That would be stupid.
If laffen doesn't like m9, it isn't because someone is posting a link too often. I believe this firmly.
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Vlammetje
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ok... guys pls just chill. I think all has been said that can be said about it.
I deeply hope laffen will think it through and reconsider.
I doubt any fuirther discussion will accomplish anything though. Perhaps it's time to give it a rest again eh? (i know i know... i started this again today.... for a reason... but I don't want this getting out of hand!)
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BritishBulldog
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This is a forum though. We joined here to voice our opinions on certain things. There is nothing wrong with challenging the stuff yiou don't like. There is nothing wrong with questioning policies and asking for a clearer defined one.
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@Vlammetje
I never said it is wrong that you voiced your opinion actually I said I
understand your view but what I said is that IMO laffen is not wrong. Also in my previous post I said ''because of competition or for any other reason laffen mentioned earlier'', we never know, not you, but someone might have been posting just to advertise there themes or some one from mobile 9 may have posted many times here jsut ot attract people. Or he may not want to make a precedent by allowing people to use this forum as a jumb board to attract traffic to there personal website. We all know traffic this day means money.
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On 2004-03-19 16:05:30, richy240 wrote:
@BritishBulldog
You're a nazi. (Just kidding.) Why would you block your competition? If someone is competing with you and their product is better, that is YOUR problem. This is supposed to be an open forum for free discussion. The fact that laffen is blocking m9 shows that he sees m9 as a threat to Esato's member base. (Because god knows no one is abusing their right to post a link to m9 - that is a bunch of crap, and laffen knows it as well as we do.) I have a theme site, and just because someone designs a nicer theme than me doesn't mean I'm NOT going to post it... That would be stupid.
If laffen doesn't like m9, it isn't because someone is posting a link too often. I believe this firmly.
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@Richy240
You said and I quote, "If someone is competing with you and their product is better, that is YOUR problem". Exactly, Laffen understand that problem and he is dealing with it.
With regard to the competition question again, you are posting others theme in your website because you are offering all of it free (I presume, never been to your site, will do ina moment ) and when you are offering something free and you want to attract more people obviously you need to offer variety and hence you post others themes in it as well. But if you were selling your themes then would you host someone elses themes on your website and watch people buying the other themes in 100s, I think not.
In the same way on a forum like this the amount of traffic is what keeps it going and what provides the life bloood (money). Vlammetje mentioned above this is a hobby of Laffen, I agree but the server this website runs and the time he spends maintaing it costs money and then if he don't wan't to allow others to use his website as a jumbboard then I think its only fair.
PS:This is nothing personal against you or Vlammetje jsut my thoughts
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Vlammetje
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i know that  and I appreciate your opinion.
If this site is not to be a 'jumping place' to other forums it would be fairest and best to ban all links to similar sites or mobile sites in general.
What is confusing in the whole bit is that some sites are allowed and some are not.
I wholeheartedly wish for one clear statement for all links to all sites. That way at least the continuous guessing 'what did they do wrong' will be over and we can all get on with our lives
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richy240
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@BritishBulldog
You've got a good point, but I still disagree. As Vlammetje stated, laffen should ban all links to other forums, or none at all. This is truely petty. (By the way, I hope you took no offence to the 'Nazi' comment. I really was kidding.)
I built my themes site to promote theme creation and as a hobby - because I like themes and I like web site design. Much like laffen, I assume. He built this site as a hobby because he likes Ericsson (now Sony Ericsson) phones enough to dedicate his time and effort to something like this. And it is free to us.
At this point, I think it is a issue of EGO and not too many links, or whatever crappy excuse laffen came up with. I may have disagreements with other theme sites, but that doesn't mean I'm going to remove links to the sites (once I get the links page online, that is) just because they have a nicer site or more content. That is just stupid.
As far as I am concerned, laffen is worried we will all start using m9 and take away from his (1) daily hits and (2) his ad revenue. And that's that.
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kimcheeboi
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I'vew been censored countless times for posting "pm me for info on mophun 4 free" or "recommending m9 or m y t610." Personally, I think it's crap, but as it's laffens site i guess there's nothing i can do about it  |
richy240
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It IS crap. You aren't doing anything wrong... You are advertising information that other members might be interested in. I would and could confidently argue that this site is based on that very concept.
I might be making a bigger deal out of this than I should, but I have a very problem with being told I cannot do something, whether this is laffen's site or not. m9 directly relates to the topics of this forum, and if we are not allowed to discuss, completely, the topics of this forum then why visit this forum in the first place?
That is my entire argument. I'll probably be banned for this, but hey, there's always m9!
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Vlammetje
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I'vew been censored countless times for posting "pm me for info on mophun 4 free" or "recommending m9 or m y t610." Personally, I think it's crap, but as it's laffens site i guess there's nothing i can do about it
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I cannot stipulate enough that M9 has NO ILLEGAL content..
'mophun for free' has a higher risk of being illegal and that is AGAINST the esato rules.
It is NOT the same thing in my opinion as linking to a site that has for whatever reason attracted too much attention on this forum.
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vinnieza
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Vlamm is 100% right there, they even took down their wav files. The mods do a great job there and there is no illeal content what so ever.
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richy240
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laffen just doesn't like the competition. That is my guess.
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