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P800 to Nokia 3650 Comparison |
butterguy
Joined: Jan 18, 2003
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very well said...I for one am still debating what I really need so i can pick which one of the two i want. |
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fishd1
Joined: Feb 26, 2003
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Fanboy fight !!!! 
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Seriously though, each to their own. If you like the 3650 - great... I'm happy for you. If you like the P800 - super, that's cool... but WHY do you feel the need to argue that one is better than the other???
Personally... let me say that again just to make sure you all heard me, PERSONALLY I don't like the look of the 3650, wild and whacky designs don't push my buttons so "I" (there's that good 'ole personally thing again) wouldn't buy one, my pal has the 7650 and it's a great phone, the camera is cool (though still a gimmick), the one handed usability is fabulous, they've done a really great job, but only 3.6mb of RAM and no expansion slot? That ruled it out for me.
I wanted a device that was 75% PDA and 25% phone... I used to carry a 9210 for crying out loud so that should tell you I like my toys on the geek side of "slightly geeky" ... the Sony Ericsson P800 is "my" type of device, if it's not yours - that's fine, we're all different.
Now everyone return to whatever it was they were doing before whether it was having a sensible debate or lurking under a bridge out of the daylight - turning to stone is a nasty thing.  |
Jimbo
Joined: Mar 07, 2002
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@ jplacson :
The 3650 and 7650 can both multitask. As they are running Symbian, they can both do all the things you mentioned in your post.
The only thing I cant be sure of is how many fps the FULL version of Doom will run at on a 3650.
@ fishd1 :
The P800 is no more PDA than the 3650/7650. Except for the touchscreen. The 3650 has an edge in that it allows you to have anniversaries and vibrating alerts for calendar alarms which the P800 apparently doesnt. Personally, I find the contact management side of Series 60 very complete, can't comment on P800. I agree with you about personal preference tho - hate the look of the 3650, just can't find anything about the P800 that justifies its reputation. Personally, I'm going to wait for the A835 or Z1010 on 3. |
ervil
Joined: Mar 18, 2002
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From: Oslo, Norway
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How about word, excel, powerpoint and PDF-readers for e-mail attachment(as P800 has). Quite important for a PDA -isn't it? |
Rashkae
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On 2003-02-27 04:15, sking1547 wrote:
I dont know about the p 800 but i would not trade my nokia 6100 color mms tiny and powerful for any se phone. The phone is not yet in the us. I have a proto type.
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Good god! The 6100 isn't anywhere CLOSE to the class of the 7650, 3650, P800 and 9210. The 6100 is a TOY! |
Coramoor
Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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On 2003-02-27 03:14, winhack wrote:
Having twice the MHz does not mean twice the power, only twice the potential. If it has twice the MHz, but is also forced to process twice as much data, the net result is little to no speed improvement.
Same thing goes for internal RAM. A Pocket PC with 32mb of RAM stores about the same number of contacts as a Palm with 16mb of RAM, again because the size of each contact on the Pocket PC platform is larger than that of the Palm. Does that mean one is "better" than the other? No, just different.
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Each contact uses more space probably because the pocket pc stores more per contact...
The nokia leaves 3,4 mb of memory available for the user while the p800 leaves 7-9 Mb available.
Now the standard applications on each phone have been designed with each phones memory limit in mind so they will of course run fine on both phones(This of course leads to the fact that the p800 apps are more advanced).
Same goes for Mhz.
What you are saying is that a luxurt boat with a 200Hp engine capable of doing 20 knots is no better than a cheap and small boat with a 100Hp engine because it can also do 20 knots...
They may be just as fast. But the time it takes the luxury boat to get from a to b can be spent in a swimming pool drinking a cold beer while in the cheap and small boat the you have to sit on cheap plastic seats drinking warm beer.
You get my point...
Plus: When porting games/apps from pc the screen res(320x208) is fairly similar to the good old 320x240 res that most games ran in the days of doom and the like. And the touch screen allows for a virtual keyboard(since many pc games used more than 9 buttons).
The Mhz will also be quite important when porting pc games....
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winhack
Joined: Feb 25, 2003
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Ok, so the context of this whole thread kind of changed a bit. My original intent was to correct some errors this site was displaying about the phone. When someone pulled up a comparison of the P800 and the 3650, some of the data points on that comparison were questionable or outright inaccurate. I had no intention of starting a fanboi fight.
To be perfectly honest, the two phones (P800 and 3650) really do target two different consumer groups and markets. Granted they both fall under the meta-group of "People who buy expensive cell phones", after that the phones are actually quite different. One of the more recent posters said it best: the P800 is more of a 75% PDA/25% phone solution, whereas the 3650 is more of a 25% PDA/75% phone solution.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: does that make one better than another? That's like comparing Apples to Oranges. They are both fruit, and both good for you, but that's where (at least most of) the similarities end.
We could go on for DAYS comparing features: Stereo vs. Mono, single color vs. Xpress-covers, PRICE vs. Price, Processor speed, available RAM, etc. The reality is they serve two different functions.
For a PDA, I already have the HP/CPQ iPAQ 5450, so I've already got a top-end superb PDA; now I wanted a cool phone, and the 3650 is it. As nice as the P800 (and even Nokia 9290) PDA functions are, they do not come close to a real PDA (PocketPC or PalmOS) -*- IN MY OPINION -*-. For what I do with it, how I use it, and what I need from it, the P800 as a PDA would not fill my needs (nor do the MS-based SmartPhones). So as long as I am going to have 2 devices (whether I like it or not), I might as well get the two that make the most sense for me. |
hurny
Joined: Dec 04, 2002
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From: Australia
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The P800 may have more PDA functions and touch screen etc..., but it costs a hell of a lot more!
The 3650, which is much cheaper, has most of the same stuff (some even better).
You're paying a lot more, for very little extra in the P800.
But you're paying for good design and a quality product all the same. |
mariolouis
Joined: Nov 17, 2002
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re: processing speed
a faster processor on a different platform doesn't mean faster processing. take a pocket pc for example, a 400mhz intel xscale processor on pocketpc 2002 os runs slower than the older 206mhz intel strong arm since it is not optimized. |
Wonderer
Joined: Feb 28, 2003
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to: winhack
Just curious, b\c I haven't used a PDA jet: what can u do with a HP that you can't do with the P800? |
Coramoor
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He probably means pocket word,excel and that kinda stuff...
Beyond that I don't think there is very much that's THAT much better.
His ipaq is rather powerfull though.. I Wouldn't mind one..
But it is EXPENSIVE. Costs more than a p800 and it lacks phone capabilities. Meaning that you have to drag along a rather expensive phone along with the already huge Ipaq.
The phone would Almost have bluetooth(ir could do it but it would be inconvenient).
A t68i,6310i , s55 or something similar.
Meaning that the p800 is much cheaper indeed.
Of course as a pda the ipaq is better than the p800.
But all things considered(size,cost, having to drag along an extra device to connect to the web) the p800 wins hands down in my book...
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vwbeetle
Joined: Apr 04, 2002
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Very enlightening. But since these 2 phones are fairly new some people like me already have a pda and a phone. In my case an ipaq and t68 the question then is are the features of the p800 good enough to abandon our setup? For me the inability of the p800 to edit word docs is a fal breaker. As for the nokia.. Well its a nokia. So here i am waiting for the successor of the t68i.
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richardadc
Joined: Jul 11, 2002
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On 2003-03-01 00:31, vwbeetle wrote:
For me the inability of the p800 to edit word docs is a fal breaker.
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I can't imagine it'll be that long before we see Quick office on the P800. |
ppcrockar
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On 2003-02-28 06:41, mariolouis wrote:
re: processing speed
a faster processor on a different platform doesn't mean faster processing. take a pocket pc for example, a 400mhz intel xscale processor on pocketpc 2002 os runs slower than the older 206mhz intel strong arm since it is not optimized.
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Well, since the P800 and the 3650 uses the same CPU type the Mhz difference is a pretty good way of comparing the speed. When it comes to comparing an 400Mhz Intel XScale with a 206Mhz Intel StrongArm you can't compare them since it is not the same type of CPU. The XScale is a differnent cpu. The XScale requires OS & program support for it's true potential to be shown.
When it comes to the P800 and the 3650 this is Symbian OS, ehich is nowhere near the resource eater like the M$ PocketPC OS are. The P800 cpu is alot faster than the 3650/7650.
And as it has been stated here the CPU speed does matter when it comes to multitasking. If playing for example mp3 in the background a faster cpu means that the rest of the programs are more responsive when multitasking.
Th 3650 has nothing that gives it any advantage over the P800 (except price maybe). The P800 is on par or better in every area.
I know some people will say T9 makes the 3650 better. Well... how good is T9 with a horrible keypad layout?
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gadgetboytom
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i agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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