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naveedaziz83
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On 2008-09-26 23:47:19, arien617 wrote:
If I can't see it, I don't believe it.
Especially books which contradict themselves. Which is probably the Holy Book over every major religion.
I'm an atheist, I know I'm going into the ground in a wooden box.
Though I'd like to believe I'm coming back as something else, something cool...
Like Ricky Gervais or something.
There might be books that contradict themselves but there are also books which are true even to this date. e.g. the Holy Quran is in the same form as it was written more than 1400 years ago, no kind of alteration at all. There are many scientific facts proven recently which are stated in the Quran, and these were stated more than 1400 years ago. Quran issues an open challenge to find any mistake or to bring any writing like this but no one has been able to do so.
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NightBlade
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And how do you know it's true? I mean, how can you be so sure about it? Do you know that no historical book can be trusted 100%?
And, forgive me for saying this, but of all non-fictional books, I believe the religious ones have the smallest factual basis.
In fact, for me, they're no different than the fictional ones.
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On 2008-09-25 23:33:07, Daedalus85 wrote:
On 2008-09-25 21:46:10, PeterKay wrote:
its true dudes.
Life is given for a reason, to worship one God.
Hate to potentionally fall out with PK over this one, but that's not strictly true.
You can't really state it as fact just because it reflects your beliefs really?
I, for one, don't believe in God, but I do believe in a higher power of some sort that lets you re-encarnate, but thats my belief, I could be wrong, but who knows 
Me too. if Re-incarnations possible I would like to comeback as a Bird,
its free to roam the skys afterall, I wouldn't wanna comeback as another person but if I did I doubt i'd knew it 
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At the end of the day god gives us life. Those of you who believe in THE BIG BANG theory well maybe it was God who created it. There is a true story of a 6 year old boy from Glasgow who actually remembered his previous life. When he was only 4 he kept saying he had to go back to Barra which is an island off Scotlands west coast. His mother said they had no connection with the place. Anyway when they decided to visit the place everything he described about his past life and the place he lived in that past life was exactly as he described it. Very interesting story. Miss UK perhaps you can have a choice and come back as an Eagle flying free.
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On 2008-09-27 00:52:13, NightBlade wrote:
And how do you know it's true? I mean, how can you be so sure about it?
The truth lies in the fact that these statements in the Quran were written more than 1400 years ago, when at that time there were no microscopes or any other advance equipments to verify those facts. Bare with me as I present to you only one of the many scientific facts stated in the Quran.
This is in the field of embryology. Famous Canadian embryologist Dr. Keith L. Moore has also confirmed these below stated facts.
It is said in the Holy Quran,
"We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)..... (Quran, 23:12-14).
Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: (1) leech, (2) suspended thing, and (3) blood clot.
Now let me further explain the above verse with some figures,
Drawings illustrating the similarities in appearance between a leech and a human embryo at the alaqah stage. (Leech drawing from Human Development as Described in the Quran and Sunnah, Moore and others, p. 37, modified from Integrated Principles of Zoology, Hickman and others. Embryo drawing from The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 73.)
We can see in this diagram the suspension of an embryo during the alaqah stage in the womb (uterus) of the mother. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 66.)
Diagram of the primitive cardiovascular system in an embryo during the alaqah stage. The external appearance of the embryo and its sacs is similar to that of a blood clot, due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo. (The Developing Human, Moore, 5th ed., p. 65.)
All the above figures describe clearly the meanings of alaqah as also described in the above verse.
The following figures shows the graphical representation of mudgah (a chewed like substance)
When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.
A) Drawing of an embryo at the mudghah stage. We can see here the somites at the back of the embryo that look like teeth marks. (The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 5th ed., p. 79.)
B) Photograph of a piece of gum that has been chewed.
NOTE: All the above pics are taken from the following website
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm#bf3
If you scroll down a little bit through the page, you will also find a video of Professor admitting the fact that there is no way Muhammad (PBUH) could have stated these facts on his own (because of no technological equipments at that time) and that indeed these came from God.
This is just one of the many scientific facts which are stated in the Quran. If anyone else wants, I will be happy to put down some more facts in the light of Quran.
I am sure many of you heard about the storm that came to Texas recently, Ike. From the images of destruction seen on various news channels and websites, one can only imagine the severity and the harshness of it. But among all that destruction, some remarkable has happened.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/U[....]ng/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
Please visit the link below and see it for yourself. After seeing this, I am sure everyone would be asking themselves a question,
HOW?
How is that possible? The destruction from the storm can be clearly seen in the picture yet one house in the middle of them remains standing. Can someone provide any logical reason for this? And I am sure all of you will know it is not by sheer luck. The house that survived seems to be in the middle of all the destroyed houses and luck has no role to play here. For me and many of other people out there, it clearly shows that there is a supreme being (Allah , God) which controls every outcomes that happen in our life and this is just one of the great symbol He has shown us.
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Oh, please.
Ans if our every action was made by some supreme deity, then life would lose its meaning.
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I'm open minded about life after death, but those examples from the Quaran are some of the weakest "science" I've seen. It's as weak as the lame arguments Creationists come up with to "prove" intelligent design and to "disprove" evolution.
Chewed up gum? Please, I could chew a piece of gum to look like an Alien and say life on Earth was seeded by aliens! I could sell it on ebay along with the "Mother Mary" toast. 
And the human embryo looks like a slug? Man that's a weak argument. Now maybe it's true, but it could just as much mean anything else. So it's not scientific proof, it's just a (very weak) theory.
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@nightblade
Yes you are right. I was wrong to say that our actions are being controlled and I apologize for that. Infact, we are given the choice of how we live our life. and according to our faith (Islam) we will be judged by the way we lived our life.
@max
The chewed gum just shows a resemblance to the embryo at a particular stage (26 days +/- 1 as shown in the figure). The embryo at that stage is known as mudghah in Arabic and the arabic meaning of it is "a chewed like substance" and since gum is the most common chewed thing therefore its pic is just shown for resemblance and nothing else.
I just described the facts which are stated in the Quran and which are also proved by a Canadian Embryologist. Who else would know a better description of the human development then an embryologist and he himself agreed that the human development stages stated in the Quran are absolutely spot on.
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the quaran description could equally apply to a wide variety of other possibilities. The description is not so detailed that it can be said to be a definitive description of a human embryo. It could simply be chance.
As to the "chewed thing": a chewed thing could take on many forms, the fact that a piece of chewing gum happens to look like a human embryo is pure chance. Take any chewable item and chew it and the chance it will resemble a human embryo is exteremely slim.
The argument you present is an extreme longshot at best. It's certainly not "proof" in any conceivable meaning of the word.
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NightBlade
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I think we kinda deviated from the topic here...
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One thing we all can agree on is,
the fact the we are one day going to face death,
whether one is poor or rich, they will go 6 feet under at one stage,
agreed?
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Bonovox
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Yes thats true. I hate it when people think they are superior to you but at the end of the day we are all human we are all going to die and no one is more superior than anyone. You can have all the money in the world and still be lonely. All the money in the world would never have saved my mother from cancer. |
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death is the one and only thing we can all be sure of... |
NightBlade
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On 2008-09-27 22:06:57, Caspa wrote:
death is the one and only thing we can all be sure of...
Actually, the only thing you can be absolutely 100% sure of is that you exist. You think, therefore you exist, no?
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The definition of "faith", is believing with absolute certainty in something which you cannot prove exists, believers are always on a sticky wicket when they try and justify their beliefs with weird science
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