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Sony & Ericsson- Difficult marriage? |
Plyon
Joined: Dec 29, 2002
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Boinng>
uhuh....
shame tho
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bart
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ericsson has great phones except T65 T66. if they would've rebuild there T39 whit a bigger screen and colour, no antenna, then you would have a great phone. ericsson went wrong after the canceled the T36 since then one big disatere. the only reason that ericsson would take sony as partner is for money and that sony uses more bluetooth in there products and that sony does not come out whit a sort of gameboy advance, because erisson is working on the redjade.
R600, T200 and T100 are not made by  it self, but by companys from taiwan. i wonder who made the upcomming T608 T316 and the P200 |
haki
Joined: May 14, 2002
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In a world populated by an abundance of idiots, Nokias are popular because they are idiot-proof!:-D
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Mr.BJ
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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From: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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Its still too early to say that the Sony Ericsson is a fail or a good merriage...but according to the fact that
Ericsson have a good experiance in mobile phone industry which include the style designe and mobile softwar.....& Sony have a very powerfull technolgy...
But they have to improve their way in markting .....
For me i hope that SE continue as one company and try to increase their mobile phone number ( cuz they r very slow in prouduceing new phones)..
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anonymuser
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On 2003-01-06 21:09, bart wrote:
if they would've rebuild there T39 whit a bigger screen and colour, no antenna, then you would have a great phone. |
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the t68 is a great phone  |
bart
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yes but i've always liked the clip phones.
With Ericsson and Nokia gone: we must keep their spirits alive and buy JOLLA or YOTA |
haki
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Besides, the T39 has a 5-line screen; bigger than Nokia's 6310i.
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ste_dexter
Joined: Dec 13, 2002
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From: Manchester, England
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In my humble oppinion,
Any merger like this is bound to hit troubled waters early on. Look at what happened to Rover after BMW. As soon as BMW pulled put Rover re launch the MG brand and next years supercar to have is a 1000bhp MG! If SE stick at it they will make things happen. It takes time to develop a new mobile. Same as anything i suppose.
You cant expect SE to develop a phone, mass produse, ship and market it from scratch this quickly. Puttin different cases on phones already in development was bound to happen. Nokia do it all the time for no reason and get away with it.
I half expect Sony to pull out if anyone would. They did it with Ninteno when co making an add on device for the snes/famicom. That then became the Playstation and nearly killed Nintendo and Sega in one.
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nwmq1
Joined: Dec 28, 2001
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From: Sweden
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@FunkyBerry
"I think you will find that its Sony that will pull out. If Sony are such a rich company, they haven't got that money by holding onto failing companies. Most people here seem to be Pro-Ericsson. I'm neutral enough to remember that there have been some very gloomy outlooks in news stories about Ericsson's finances and future sucess.
This is backed up by a chance meeting with one of the product designers for Vertu, and his friend who writes 3G applications, who told me things along the same lines."
Vertu is Nokia... just for the record. |
anonymuser
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i'm just not really sure what Sony have put into it in the firstplace, that's the problem. Ericsson were already set to pull out of the handset market before the joint venture came up, and happily dispense with a tiny, loss-making division of their overall business. Instead they've put all this technology and know-how into "SE" phones, and Sony have... what? Designed bad new covers for them.. come up with a dull new logo.. done no marketing I've noticed, and I look out for it.. the "new" brand manages to combine both names and yet carry none of the weight of either; it's bland and unknown. That is a massive failing of Sony's supposedly all-powerful marketing department. |
gatevital
Joined: Dec 01, 2002
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From: Bath England
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One problem has been the total lack of marketing until the t68i came along, it seamed that every bus shelter is advertising a nokia, with good marketing the t66 would have sold like hot cakes for example, though I have never seen a t66 advert.
When you close down all your factories you have to out source production, are any current sony ericssons made in sweden?
Also having competing models out at the same time seams odd why make the r600 at the same time as t65/t200? |
haki
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In marketing terms this is called \"cannibalism\"...and it is wrooong!
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SilveR.
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Can't agrre who did say, T68m is look better tan T68i. I got both of them, If I choose which looks best, I will choose "I" but now I got P800 witch is from SE and not Ericsson .
And last, SonyEricsson, "logo" looks better |
anonymuser
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the three stripes was iconic, the squishy green ball thing is just.. a squishy green ball. as for the blue... okay, some people may like it, but by it's very nature (as a wishy-washy pastel shade) a lot of people just won't and don't. I don't. designwise, certainly if you're trying to build up a new brand image, a colour like that is a big mistake.
as for the P800, that's an Ericsson phone. it's in a naff SE housing, and it was delayed because they had to incorporate Sony Duostick memory (despite it restricting the phone considerably), but it's still an Ericsson phone. |
brick
Joined: Nov 15, 2002
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The marriage was to reap the strengths of ericsson in technology and sony where cash and marketing are concerned. Ericsson may have made good solid phones, but they were going nowhere, and loss was getting such that they were on the verge of doing away with the handset division altogether. Sony wasn't going anywhere as well with their phones, so they offered to team up with Ericsson to produce some phones. With their respective expertise, it made sense the new venture would have the best of all worlds.
In a sense, Sony came and injected money into what was going to be a failing business anyway. If sony pulled out, we would be sure Ericsson would discontinue the handset business, but sony has enough resources to hand around and eventually make something work. Total elimination of ericsson technology wouldn't be to any of our advantage.
I see them as a venture that comes up with good solid products, and worth their weight. Nothing Nokia produces comes close to what a simple SE can do, but Nokia has a certain factor that clicks with the public, and SE hasn't found out what that is. Neither has the other company that makes good solid phones, Siemens. They have been going waywards recently with all that 55 series bullshit compared to the 45 range in their bid to emulate Nokia, but I digress.
Brands that come into their own like Samsung gain strength, it's ironically the phones which try to compete with Nokia in their own turf like SE and Siemens who struggle. It would be good and wise for us SE fans to NOT pressure SE into that direction. I think they have been making good phones, but they are still only a year old. Have a little bit of patience. They will come into their own slowly and surely. |
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