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MattGB
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On 2008-07-15 10:41:48, arvinlad wrote:
At the end of last year I bought a month old P1 with TomTom 6 Nav and a GPS unit for £175 from ebay - it was perfect...
Having sung it's praises particularly with all the new mods and hacks continually to a mate who was considering aa G900 he went to look on ebay and ended up buying the same thing - unused if I remember correctly inc TomTom 6 and GPS unit for £135!!!
You can't tell me thats not value for money!
You will not need a data connection with TomTom 6 Nav as stated previously and you can set it for walking mode. It's not perfect... but it way ahead of whatever comes in second place 
IMHO - of course 
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makbil
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There are 3 navigation programs that work on UIQ3 devices with 128 MB RAM. I'm not counting those that need active data connection to work.
TomTom and Garmin both have UIQ3 versions and work on P990 as well, Sygic Drive needs 128 MB RAM.
All 3 programs have maps that you pre-install on your memory card so no data communication is needed during use. Also, all these programs have the option to calculate routes for different cars or pedestrian use.
TomTom seems to provide newer maps for their version 7 software which is not available for UIQ3 devices, so you will be stuck with older maps with little chance of updates.
Sygic Drive seems to have good maps but it's relatively new and I can't really comment on long term use but the user interface and performance seems to be good in the limited time I have tested it.
Garmin really lives up to their reputation, their UIQ3 program that you can download from their site works well on all UIQ3 devices and they have the newest maps of all 3 programs.
Good luck with having so many choices for the iPhone. An internal GPS will also put severe pressure on your battery life, so I do not recommend it.
Go for the G900 + Sirfstar III BT GPS and Garmin but take a look at the Sygic reviews as well.
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MattGB
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On 2008-07-16 13:45:56, makbil wrote:
There are 3 navigation programs that work on UIQ3 devices with 128 MB RAM. I'm not counting those that need active data connection to work.
TomTom and Garmin both have UIQ3 versions and work on P990 as well, Sygic Drive needs 128 MB RAM.
All 3 programs have maps that you pre-install on your memory card so no data communication is needed during use. Also, all these programs have the option to calculate routes for different cars or pedestrian use.
TomTom seems to provide newer maps for their version 7 software which is not available for UIQ3 devices, so you will be stuck with older maps with little chance of updates.
Sygic Drive seems to have good maps but it's relatively new and I can't really comment on long term use but the user interface and performance seems to be good in the limited time I have tested it.
Garmin really lives up to their reputation, their UIQ3 program that you can download from their site works well on all UIQ3 devices and they have the newest maps of all 3 programs.
Good luck with having so many choices for the iPhone. An internal GPS will also put severe pressure on your battery life, so I do not recommend it.
Go for the G900 + Sirfstar III BT GPS and Garmin but take a look at the Sygic reviews as well.
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Thanks Makbil! That was just the sort of useful summary I was looking for! |
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i want to know how will the SE GPS headset or the GPS in C702, W760 work if theres no data connection?? is like when u in a forest where theres no fone reception at all... how can the GPS help u find a way out??
in USA theres many highway have no fone reception... is it pointless if i get a SE GPS then getting a "real" GPS on the car??
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MattGB
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On 2008-07-17 02:01:18, whatsucka wrote:
i want to know how will the SE GPS headset or the GPS in C702, W760 work if theres no data connection?? is like when u in a forest where theres no fone reception at all... how can the GPS help u find a way out??
in USA theres many highway have no fone reception... is it pointless if i get a SE GPS then getting a "real" GPS on the car??
Because it takes the signal from the satellites in space, and doesn't need to use the phone line to the service provider!
If a car has SatNav )as does mine), it doesn't need a phone contract or a data connection with a mobile phone service provider to work, does it. It just uses the satellite signals to triangulate your location, which is why I get frustrated that it's so hard to get a mobile to do the same!
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arvinlad
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On 2008-07-16 13:45:56, makbil wrote:
TomTom seems to provide newer maps for their version 7 software which is not available for UIQ3 devices, so you will be stuck with older maps with little chance of updates.
 Are you SURE about this? As far as I know there was a map update for Navigator 6 early this year... I can't believe they won't update the maps - that's how they make more money LOL
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makbil
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TomTom maps are not at the same revision level for all regions. The latest maps for TomTom Navigator 6 are v6.80 but the number of maps at this version are very limited. I use their maps for PL-CZ-SK-HU-GR-TR-RU v 6.50 which is about 2 years old. Garmin on the other hand has current maps dated 1/2008, there is a big difference, at least for Istanbul. I'm sure that the current maps for UK are newer but since TomTom releases new maps for Navigator 7 only (which work on TomTom devices) it's fair to say that there will not be an update for maps that can be used with Symbian devices.
Performancewise there is not such a big difference between these 3 programs so whichever one has the latest maps (and the possibility to update) that one is probably the best one.
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On 2008-07-13 19:55:09, MattGB wrote:
I keep asking people about this, and they mention software which they say does this, but then I check it out, they all seem to requite streaming data from your network provider!
That's the difference between GPS (don't require network connection) and A-GPS (which does, in your case -that's what Iphone has). Google it to see the difference. Why is that? Because the mobile operator has to do profit from your GPS using and that's the way to charge you. That's why I use an independent Mio GPS, so I won't get ripped off. Always ask if it's a GPS chip inside or an A-GPS , a little thing Apple "forgot" to mention:))
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MattGB
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On 2008-07-17 10:27:51, 701 wrote:
On 2008-07-13 19:55:09, MattGB wrote:
I keep asking people about this, and they mention software which they say does this, but then I check it out, they all seem to requite streaming data from your network provider!
That's the difference between GPS (don't require network connection) and A-GPS (which does, in your case -that's what Iphone has). Google it to see the difference. Why is that? Because the mobile operator has to do profit from your GPS using and that's the way to charge you. That's why I use an independent Mio GPS, so I won't get ripped off. Always ask if it's a GPS chip inside or an A-GPS , a little thing Apple "forgot" to mention:))
Indeed, but in fairness, the iPhone on o2 (here in UK) comes on tariffs that include unlimited data, so it doesn't really matter how much you use the A-GPS, as it's all included in the tariff. |
makbil
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Correct me if I'm wrong, A-GPS provides a rough estimate of your location, not really very useful for navigation. You still need a GPS proper to be able to navigate when driving.
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@makbil:well, the A-GPS is actually a corrector of GPS, unless the operator and Apple decided the other way around.It's like this: A-GPS is better if Apple and the operator decided that when you have no network ,you can use the GPS chip as regular GPS, or they can cut you out and if you don't have a network signal the GPS won't work at all.
Regarding the unlimited data plans, that's true IF they allow you to use the GPS as it is-see above. The ones buying the Iphone will have to tell us how it is.
Personally, I incline to the 2 nd variant because Iphone has NO maps except for Goggle Maps that you can ONLY use thru A-GPS. You can't install aditional maps cuz no one made it, so I guess you're stuck with Google Maps (which are, as Makbil says, very rough) and that's all. That's a damn shame.
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masseur
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I haven't been out of cellular coverage yet so I have no idea which type of a-gps it has, but from what I've read, the GPS works fine regardless of network coverage. in fact although I'm aware of the type you're mentioning, I haven't yet heard of any operating implementing such a restriction
Google maps in the iphone first uses a-gps to get a rough position, but then it uses the built in gps to get more accurate positioning.
When its using a-gps you get a circle around the area you are in but when the GPS gets a fix you see a blue flashing dot which moves as you move, so its not dependant on a-gps... a-gps just assists in getting a quicker position while the GPS is taking its time to gets its fix
using google maps you can get directions and as your position moves off the map, the map scrolls so that your position stays visible
the only thing you don't get with google maps is turn by turn routing or voice prompting
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makbil
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@701, what I'm saying is that A-GPS gets your position based on the operator's cell tower (perhaps even some triangulation, I'm not so sure), so there is no way that you can have the position accurate enough for navigation by using A-GPS alone. That is why only a built-in A-GPS doesn't mean too much for me, you need a GPS.
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masseur
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agreed. there's definitly no way you can hope to navigate with a-gps alone. even in london where cell towers are more dense the circle that shows the a-gps location covers quite a few blocks. out of London I've seen the a-gps circle cover half a mile radius or more!
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myth®
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A-GPS as a standalone navigation system does not exist. It is an additional feature of a device which has a hardware gps and is nothing but a piece of software. Some (or most) of the gps phones nowadays have it, while others don't.
The N95, for instance, got the a-gps feature later on through a fw update (v.20 if I remember well).
As for the rough estimation of your position (based on the data of your network) and indication of the same in Google Maps, this can be done on any mobile phone, with or without GPS. |
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Posted: 2008-07-15 15:01
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
