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chamak
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Hello All,
1st of all HUGE s/w list (both shareware and freeware) plus Nokia community support makes S60 a really envious platform from my point of view.
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as of S60/UIQ3 comparison only, I prefer UIQ 3 over S60 for the following reasons:
1. I hate the teeny-tiny caller ID image of S60, I simply hate it. (And I also hate fullscreen caller as from my point of view it simply cripples the calling for UI point of view). For UIQ3 you get a full-screen caller ID image and it's a good thing to see (at least for me).
2. Whenever there's a missed call or new message (and believe me, I get tons off missed calls as i work in a telecommunication co. and it's I who have to call all the time  ) S60 only shows there's a new missed call and/or sms, but not who called who from whom i got the sms, and it's a gr8 disadvantage for S60 from my point of view. For UIQ3 I always get to call/read ri8 away by seeing who called me or sent me SMS. Not three clicks away like S60. Moreover I used to miss the missed call sign on N95 as it's too much tiny to be missed easily.
3. I like HTML email over S60 email. S60 email client is simply too-basic for me(as some have said already). It's just text everywhere...
4. I like clicking ri8 where I need while browsing and scroll through pages by finger, when I used to browse with N95 I simply had thumb-ache. May be I'm just too thumb-loving person
To marc: To me supporting larger scale of video codecs doesn't mean anything. I don't watch too much videos anyway..and I only watch DVDs sometimes while traveling and I convert them (A bit hassle but ok for me).
Well above points made my decision to stick to my P1i rather then N95, providing N95 has a much more powerful hardware, way large software support and stunning acceleratometer based apps and games. Truly I miss them, but for everyday use P1i is rather exactly what I need.
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Hmm good list of points there gentleman, at least something to compare to & tangible enough to validate claims or challenge against.
* Caller ID - very valid, but doesn't the number mean more to all of us?? Sure I can be in your phonebook with a photo related to my cell, home, or GoogleTalk name. However, my photo will not show if I call your cellphone - ur on break (I know what its like working inbound support  - from work phone. The number shows, no picture.
* Leads me to your second point. S60 still does that with alerting you of a message (ie 1 New Message); yet doesn't define the type. I relate this to a BlackBerry. S60 although seperates all types of messages in specific Inbox's (for inbound), it only alerts when new messages arrives. It rely's on the users inquisitive response to dig for the new message; helping by highlighting the folder type. Needs room for improvement here, I agree.
* HTML Email. Although I'd love to see HTML email on the BlackBerry, & S60 (both coming soon, natively); I still find that it uses up more memory to the inbox, clutters the important information with graphics, that barely show what is related (colored background, banners, animated icons, etc - pics excluded). We are all still basically trying to 'read' the email not look at a picture book page, right? But valid either way.
The caller ID is something moved over by  's platform (A1/2) phones over to their UIQ implementation. IN no way is it directly related, as we can see on the Z8/10 by Motorola. That said so is the achilles heel that is the 'magic word' and type of voice pre-trained dialing. That said, those that have used a wired headset using Voice Signal on other phones knows its a PAIN in the arse on a windy day with the headset active (listening to music on a 2.5mm wired headset on a Blackberry 8100 Pearl drove me INSANE! 4 days walking to the bus stop while TRYING to listening to music this thing kept dialing or reading to me battery strength, or stating "state your command". ARRGH this Enterprise thing almost had me throwing it into traffic!)
Any more points with software or using the phones? N95, limiting S60 stressed thumbs due to buttons is not fair. Nokia makes a WIDE range of S60 devices, all with varying button layouts & types. You must've not spent a lot of time playing NES or Gameboy when you where young, hehe. I'm used to small buttons just because of that.
Good points thus far on both sides the last few points, lets keep 'em coming.
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arvinlad
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I don't really care what operating system my phone is using... could be S60, UIQ, WM, Linux or written in Swahili 
There is a maximum size of device that is comfortable to carry around and I can't see me buying a device without a touch screen. P1i at the moment is the best I have found for that category - and the amount of enthusiasts on here, se-nse and ipmart forums give me loads of stuff to mod and play with - I'm more than happy...
I don't understand the continual references to HSPDA? - what is it and why is it so important? - Will my life be changed if I get a HSPDA device? - I feel I must be missing something
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@chamak
Just one thing why are you comparing a Business device with a Multimedia device as really that makes little sense to me.
I used UIQ all the way until the M600 and as great as it is it is underpowered and lacking in hardware upgrades since the P990 which was already out dated on launch. Give UIQ some up to date hardware and HSDPA and let SE prove they can deliver what they promise relatively bug free and i may see something to return to.
But currently what i would lose just to use UIQ far outweighs the benefits of using it and it's by a long way to.
@avrinlad
I really can't believe in 2008 you have no idea what HSDPA but here you HSDPA is High Speed Data Packet Access and i means your data speeds improve form 384kbps max to up to 3.6mbps and now even 7.2mbps on newer devices as some networks no support this even higher speed. So if you never do any Web browsing it won't effect you, but if you do it is roughly 9-18 times faster.
But then your P1 is still using a 208mhz processor and is slow any way in comparison to some of the better hardware found in Symbian and WM devices.
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On 2008-05-21 12:31:42, Dogmann wrote:
I really can't believe in 2008 you have no idea what HSDPA but here you HSDPA is High Speed Data Packet Access and i means your data speeds improve form 384kbps max to up to 3.6mbps and now even 7.2mbps on newer devices as some networks no support this even higher speed. So if you never do any Web browsing it won't effect you, but if you do it is roughly 9-18 times faster.
Here we go again. - in theory, in the middle of a city, if you're alone on the central, in good weather, ignoring all other factors at every stage. And it requires a board config with a higher internal bus- speed and so a different power- requirement - .. Look. Do you really have to flog /all/ of the propaganda- points this uncritically every time? Are you paid much to do this, or do you just not care whether what you're saying is true?
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chamak
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On 2008-05-21 12:31:42, Dogmann wrote:
@chamak
Just one thing why are you comparing a Business device with a Multimedia device as really that makes little sense to me.
I used UIQ all the way until the M600 and as great as it is it is underpowered and lacking in hardware upgrades since the P990 which was already out dated on launch. Give UIQ some up to date hardware and HSDPA and let SE prove they can deliver what they promise relatively bug free and i may see something to return to.
But currently what i would lose just to use UIQ far outweighs the benefits of using it and it's by a long way to.
@Marc
I really can't understand how did you point out that I was "comparing a Business device with a Multimedia device". See my points:
Caller ID: Pure phone function (How can it be business oriented!!?)
Missed call/SMS Alert: Pure phone function (.Again how can it be business oriented!!?)
E-mail: Yes this is a business function by IMO it is now a "required by everyone" feature.
Web browsing: This IMO is a multimedia functionality, not purely business.
and moreover no where I mentioned I was comparing P1i with N95, I was merely expressing my opinion on S60vsUIQ (as this thread suggests)after using both OSs enough time to comment on.
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On 2008-05-21 13:03:51, chamak wrote:
@Marc
I really can't understand how did you point out that I was "comparing a Business device with a Multimedia device". See my points:
Caller ID: Pure phone function (How can it be business oriented!!?)
Missed call/SMS Alert: Pure phone function (.Again how can it be business oriented!!?)
E-mail: Yes this is a business function by IMO it is now a "required by everyone" feature.
Web browsing: This IMO is a multimedia functionality, not purely business.
and moreover no where I mentioned I was comparing P1i with N95, I was merely expressing my opinion on S60vsUIQ (as this thread suggests)after using both OSs enough time to comment on.
Wow ppl are so easily ready to pic on Marc, though he does evoke thought, heated at times.
* Caller ID: Pure phone function (How can it be business oriented!!?)
- Seeing a photo of a person calling you allows a BUSINESS user to recall the face and correctly place comments at a business dinner that may be CRUCIAL to the pending conversation & easier to seal a sales deal, partnership in a private endeavor, or an employment lead! You don't want to setup a business deal with the guy talking of business takeovers when he was the one eating the last parcel of meat off of another persons plate with them NOT looking!
* Missed call/SMS Alert: Pure phone function (.Again how can it be business oriented!!?)
- A missed call or SMS/PIN alert can be VERY CRITICAL and time sensitive! Not only if you're girlfriends friend or family member sends you one to tell you she's in labor if you're at work or out with the guys drinking a beer, but also if you're to attend an emergency meeting. Say you're up in line for the new CEO of Motorola's mobile division and you already know 4 ppl had just left today, do you REALLY want to be the captain of a sinking ship?!! Especially of no plan in mind? Remember the captain ALWAYS goes down with the sinking ship!
* E-mail: Yes this is a business function by IMO it is now a "required by everyone" feature.
- Exacto mundo! Corporate email is important! Pesonal email is becoming more & more popular as are data caps for "fair" usage, something I consider assinine trending by providers.
* Web browsing: This IMO is a multimedia functionality, not purely business.
- multimedia? Hmm, its a business function by nature. Accessing corporate intranet sites is a NEED for business users, as most info is NOT available on public internet. Ppl still check their Facebook (multimedia), email (personal or forwarded email Multimedia), and also sales of their personal business online (X1397 sells all KINDS of stuff on the net).
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Dogmann
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Hi Prom 1
Well said about those functions i would also of never of guessed they were just for Multimedia devices and that no buisness users would find them useful.
As for the attacks well there just water of a ducks back once some one manages to use facts as opposed to just there biased opinion and what they want or need so of course it must be the same for everyone else i may get worried but I'm still waiting for that to happen.
@Nipsen
Oh well busted at last you got me i own the intellectual property rights on the propriety compression used in HSDPA.
Please this rubbish you keep spouting about in so few locations and no one wants there Web browsing or downloads to be faster is just pathetic. Try reading what some of your fellow SE users that now have the luxury for SE of HSDPA and see how much better they have found it and think it is.
Really i don't know why you don't turn off 3G to save your precious battery along with dimming your screen and go back to CSD as obviously you enjoy waiting whilst items download and refresh. The rest of us in the mean time will enjoy our super fast data that continues to get faster.
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Marc,
Why the heck are you still talking about hardware, when it's obviously not what this thread is about? Do you simply jump elegantly over those paragraphs in people's posts telling you that we don't care about your hardware nonsense, and that it's off-topic here?
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..so.. a UIQ device is the best fit for everyone, then 
"Corporate e-mail" is a good thing for extra 3rd party software, though. Support for syncml and imap idle, that's more available and useable for everyone. So it would make sense for a phone- manufacturer to put this on the device in the first place, to make the device more usable.
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Nipsen,
Not necessarily the devices. The software. That's what this thread is about.
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@Mizzle
When an OS how ever good it is limited by the hardware it runs on, of course it's relevant how can it not be?
You can have the best OS in the world but if it doesn't run on the the best or most powerful hardware it is limited in it's functionality and performance obviously. Which in turn means it is slower and less responsive then it could be even you and Ares say that UIQ would fly on some new hardware.
So this means that new and improved hardware would make the OS better and give a better user experience just such a shame that SE can't seem to do this for UIQ and leave it crippled by very outdated hardware. Hell this Hardware was outdated when the P990 launched two years ago now it's virtually obsolete and an antique.
The fact that even the latest P5/P200 still runs only slightly faster than a P1 or the G series and is still without HSDPA shows just how outdated the hardware is and a 5meg camera and GPS don't make it any better as an OS either.
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On 2008-05-21 16:09:20, Dogmann wrote:
Oh well busted at last you got me i own the intellectual property rights on the propriety compression used in HSDPA.
..I was talking about regurgitating the mobile industry's pipe- dream about taking over broadband across the world. It's not physically doable yet, certainly not with the existing generation of hsdpa boards, or the existing network tech (and it's not about software upgrades, it's about physical possibility). But yes, a lot of people say exactly what you're saying, and they're all wrong. You should also know that the wireless broadband stuff is tied together with a type of data- transport that cannot be used freely, and is linked to the ever- persistent "content portal" bullshit - and until that actually turns out to pay off in practice, then it'll never be done on a large scale.
@mizzle: *nods* good point. I sort of wonder when we'll see more variety on the formats, and so on. Would do a world of good for UIQ, at least, to show off the versatility a bit - and develop maybe types of shells and so on that would fit on more types of resolutions and formats..
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On 2008-05-21 16:21:40, Dogmann wrote:
You can have the best OS in the world but if it doesn't run on the the best or most powerful hardware
Yes, but that doesn't cut the fact that it's the best OS in the world, does it?
In all fairness, please do compare a G900 running Symbian 9.1 with UIQ 3.0 with the N73 running Symbian 9.1 with S60 3rd. They're making use of just about the same hardware, so it should be quite easy to compare the software, shouldn't it?
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Dogmann
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@Nisen
You believe what you like but while we are all wrong we will continue to use fast Data that's getting faster and you can stick to CSD or 3g if you want to.
But even in a poor area i have got 1964kbps which isn't that much less then my supposed to be 8 meg broadband that delivers 2.7meg and as 7.2 mbps comes on line with new devices i like most people will enjoy faster than our Home broadband speeds. Oh yes and i don't go anywhere near my Networks portal to access it either so yet again i really don't have a clue just what you are talking about. Actually most of the time i doubt you do either from most of your posts.
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