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Coquito
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no news about this accesory 
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Supa_Fly
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I know I'm salivating immensely over it.
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an apt description!
I hope we see one, but knowing my luck, when they do I'll have got the G900 
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This will be a dream come true! 
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when is this wifi enabler expected to be released? 3rdQ of the year?
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carkitter
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The existance of this accessory has not yet been confirmed.
Check the first post, it says that someone was looking through white papers and found that A200 is Wifi compatible but there are no A200 Wifi phones available. With  having chosen to go the plug-in accessory route for GPS, this has led to speculation of a Wifi enabler accessory.
If are smart, they'll read this thread and build it. But with a marketing manager pouring cold water on the future of Wifi, I wouldn't hold my breath... 
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Supa_Fly
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On 2008-04-19 03:55:01, carkitter wrote:
The existance of this accessory has not yet been confirmed.
Check the first post, it says that someone was looking through white papers and found that A200 is Wifi compatible but there are no A200 Wifi phones available. With having chosen to go the plug-in accessory route for GPS, this has led to speculation of a Wifi enabler accessory.
If are smart, they'll read this thread and build it. But with a marketing manager pouring cold water on the future of Wifi, I wouldn't hold my breath...
That's a marketing manager that should NOT be having such a job!
Reasons for WiFi:
* Consumers LOVE it because of the IMMEDIATE direct results it gives us.
* Allows the company able to promote UMA compatibility for providers & PBX for corporate usage. This allows (for now seemingly niche) for a growing market & demand coming DIRECTLY from PROVIDERS 1st (although the technology is already in place & cheaply & easily implemented), instead of designing phones that adhere to a providers network & try to MARKET for providers. BIG cash cow.
* Allows for accessories sales to slightly increase. A2 phones are going to total 5 by end of 2008 (K850i, W910, W890i, W760i, W980i, etc). If the demand for this WiFi-Enabler increases & a decision is made to manufacturer this what can this mean for SE?
- Allows for direct competition for Samsung & Nokia on their LIMITED Exclusive UMA based phones (design & feature set is shitty comparable not just to SE but to their own phone base) for providers already offering UMA (T-Mobile USA, possibly UK/Germany, Rogers Wireless here in Canada & Fido as well a subsiderary both just went live).
- Take not that ALL these providers already carry models of the A2 platform phones!!
- will this INCREASE sales of the phone hardware, as well as the accessory if offered BOTH at the same point of sale??!! This is the BIG marketing-management question!! If we see Nokia's sales continue to grow & market share, along with Samsungs, and hardware sales of the A2 platform as a WHOLE pale by comparison then this marketing manager should be given the 13" BOOT in the ass out the door! Because going to school to get a job is just HALF the battle, working & continuing to learn the facists & changing scale & landscape of your job is actually PART of your job & your success!
We'll see what happens but I'd LOVE to have this accessory.
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carkitter
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I'd love to have this accessory too, but let's not get carried away. It's still just speculation, has not been announced and therefore talk of release dates is premature if not plain daft.
Amidst all your jargon (you lost me on the first sentence ) I think you missed the point. 's marketing manager said that free wifi spots will become obselete as high speed mobile broadband becomes more widespread over the next few years. It appears that HSDPA's next step after the present 3.6Mbps will be 14.4Mbps and then 42Mbps after that. My wifi router has a maximum of 54Mbps but AFAIK no ordinary users here in NZ are getting 14.4Mbps or faster sent down thier landline connection so it's clear that the mobile network infrastructure will soon overtake that of the landline, making wifi obselete as the guy said. IMO he can keep his job. 
Also, how exactly will mobile network providers leverage thier services off wifi? Clearly they make thier money off 3G services and faster speeds mean better take up of these services. Don't you remember the MASSIVE amounts the Network providers spent to buy access to mobile frequencies in the early '00s. Don't you remember Vodafone posting a 40 billion pound loss about 5 years ago as they wrote off those costs? This is where they recover that investment - high speed 3G not wifi.
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strizlow800
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Very smart move from SE if this device hits the market  .
It enables almost all new SE phones with wifi, and lowering the need of changing your phone just because of the wifi .
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Killfr3nzy
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Good idea, but they could make it a LOT smaller i mean, like its not visible, like a small thing
this reminds me of the old days, when you had to plug a camera on your phone, lol
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On 2008-04-19 16:43:01, Killfr3nzy wrote:
Good idea, but they could make it a LOT smaller i mean, like its not visible, like a small thing
this reminds me of the old days, when you had to plug a camera on your phone, lol
A lot smaller than what? There are no pictures of it yet.
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Killfr3nzy
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On 2008-04-19 16:53:56, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
On 2008-04-19 16:43:01, Killfr3nzy wrote:
Good idea, but they could make it a LOT smaller i mean, like its not visible, like a small thing
this reminds me of the old days, when you had to plug a camera on your phone, lol
A lot smaller than what? There are no pictures of it yet.
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carkitter
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It should be as slim as possible so that it doesn't look too silly mounted on phones with a fastport on the side. A range of colours would be good too... Havanna Gold, Quick Black or Piano Black, RED, White, Silver, Mocha Brown, should be enough to match the W890/W910/W980/V640/K630/K660/K850 ranges.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2008-04-19 12:42:14, carkitter wrote:
I'd love to have this accessory too, but let's not get carried away. It's still just speculation, has not been announced and therefore talk of release dates is premature if not plain daft.
Amidst all your jargon (you lost me on the first sentence ) I think you missed the point. 's marketing manager said that free wifi spots will become obselete as high speed mobile broadband becomes more widespread over the next few years. It appears that HSDPA's next step after the present 3.6Mbps will be 14.4Mbps and then 42Mbps after that. My wifi router has a maximum of 54Mbps but AFAIK no ordinary users here in NZ are getting 14.4Mbps or faster sent down thier landline connection so it's clear that the mobile network infrastructure will soon overtake that of the landline, making wifi obselete as the guy said. IMO he can keep his job.
Also, how exactly will mobile network providers leverage thier services off wifi? Clearly they make thier money off 3G services and faster speeds mean better take up of these services. Don't you remember the MASSIVE amounts the Network providers spent to buy access to mobile frequencies in the early '00s. Don't you remember Vodafone posting a 40 billion pound loss about 5 years ago as they wrote off those costs? This is where they recover that investment - high speed 3G not wifi.
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Sorry I lost most here on my diatribe. I'll try to be more concise.
First off the next step for HSDPA from 3.6Mbps is 7.2Mbps, then its off to 14.4Mbps. 42Mbps is not HSDPA but LTE which demands NEW hardware for consumers & manufacturers to take advantage of, as well as new towers and most likely new Spectrum for being able to have a license to use this new technology EVEN at the same broadcast signals (850/1900Mhz = North & South America & Australia, 1900/2100Mhz for Europe & Asia. Don't forget the new standard 1700Mhz for AWS T-Mobile USA which STILL doesn't have UMTS yet, or the other 2 new bands that AT&T Wireless in the US is going for). This equals MUCHO DINERO for providers.
If you recall, even in Europe their solution to entice revenue to pay for the UMTS costs was initially Video Calling, before phone as wireless modems & plans catered to it. Yeah Video Calling didn't go as far as planned or hoped, even less so on my side of the pond in N. America (although providers are still pushing it).
What most network (HSDPA/HSUPA/LTE) enthusiasts fail to realize is that HSDPA is already fairly widespread:
(SOurce: GSMWorld http://hspa.gsmworld.com/devices/default.asp )
132 networks in 65 countries.
471 Devices from 102 suppliers.
205 Handsets, 42 Data Cards, 31 Wireless Routers, 84 Notebooks, 42USB Modems, 30 Embedded Modules.
Yet not ALL of us are seeing prices to match this application of economies of scale:
*Rogers Wireless (Largest provider in Canada - users & coverage): still only offers unlimited surfing on subsidized handsets, not UNLOCKED UNBRANDED phones. Not for Aircards, not for Smartphones (BB, WM, UIQ, Palm, S60).
* AT&T Wireless (Largest provider in USA - users & coverage GSM/HSDPA): still costs over $60US/Mth to use an Aircard, Phone as modem or USB HSDPA modem for unlimited Network speeds.
* what are the costs to either "tether" your phone as a modem or use an Aircard on your laptop for pure UNLIMITED data (no restrictions? or even a 2/5/10GB Cap)??!
* what are the costs to use UNLIMITED data on your phone/smartphone? USA its $30-45/mth depending on phone/smartphone (corporate or end user contracts).
My point? Its not 2001 anymore, its 2008! The rule of economies of scale for products & services is NOT matching the services to end users but it IS for the manufacturers developing the networks or the chipsets for phone/modem companies. Frankly I consider $30/mth Unlimited data to a smartphone (regardless of applications used: shit here in Canada their using network based software to tell if your using a java 3rd party app to see if your "abusing" their $7/mth unlimited On-Rogers-Subsidized-Phones only data (no tethering allowed as well).
This doesn't allow for great pricing for end users to fully enjoy those data speeds we're both aware off. Providers are more & more getting into offering services like Mobile TV, Streaming Radio, Video Calling, and soon Video Messaging Mailboxs to your cellular phone. Moreover, providers are restricting them to subsidized phones that have special applications to use these services and no way for roamers or retail market purchasers to use these services.
WiFi.
Its very cheap to manufacture to a phone, and implement. So many more ppl in the world have WiFi routers or laptops with built in WiFi. Almost every WM platform device has WiFi, and increasingly so does S60 devices (not just from Nokia). WiFi Hotspots by Starbucks & previously T-Mobile USA (now new contract with AT&T) are in EVERY major city in the USA from coast to coast and in very many arenas as well. I've spent the last 2.5yrs troubleshooting thousands of corporate users to get their VPN setup on WiFi at a Hotel even though most hotels are FREE you need to accept an agreement "No I won't view or distribute porn, or hurt anyone, cause war, inflict pain on anyone or rip off software & intellectual property from company's etc etc type clauses". In that time I've only had a handful of them where the call was more than 30mins, and under 20 in all that time (I'd go through a minimum of 7 of these calls DAILY!) I could not help due to a network WEP/WPA(PSK, etc) key!
Many providers make you wait HOURS or days before you can get your HSDPA groove on!
Have you taken a look at 15.2" Laptop prices lately (even Intel Core2Duo T5555's)?? Going for $749CAN +Tax (12-19%). Some smarpthones in Canada from HTC or Nokia costs pretty close to that (N95-3 for USA bands is give or take the same price I've just quoted or $100 cheaper). Although I cannot use HSDPA for surfing economically on such a phone, I can use WiFi. WiFi at home, work, hotels, at the basketcall/football/baseball gaming arenas, and bars. ALL free or for a short fee of $5/hr un-restricted or $20CAN for 24hrs. As long as I'm in or around the outskirts of my city I can get VERY fast speeds ... 22Mbps on average on a laptop/UMPC or 7-15Mbps on a smartphone.
Although the landscape or availability of WiFi is different in Europe or Asia (plus the restrictions of less available channels) its STILL cheaper elsewhere. SE's current marketing manager is only focusing on the European & Asian markets. Until recently this has ALWAYS been the Achilles heel in SE's growth or obtaining a large rise in marketshare worldwide.
I dont' see data rates getting ANY cheaper with HSPA or LTE. And deals for roaming are NOT getting cheaper for some odd reason.
How can WiFi in phones save a provider LARGE dinero/cash/qwaun?! Instead of needing to license new spectrum & rent new locations for towers or more rent to use more towers in existing locations to increase their network coverage; they can offer VoIP UMA service. This is especially cost effective and a godsend for those in rural areas where the population numbers do NOT warrant a provider to build a network (towers, switches, lines, powerlines, base stations, ggsn nodes etc) for such a rural location.
Sorry its a lot here. I tried to be concise but I wanted to fully explain how this affects so many millions of ppl outside of Europe & closely neighboring countries how lack of savings for network HSDPA speeds has us looking to using WiFi as an alternative for BOTH the consumer and provider. Case in point. TMobile USA has had a license for HSDPA spectrum for just over 1yr but STILL hasn't luanched because of the slow pace of public city/state/federal services (Police/Fire dept/ambulance etc) that use the new bands they'll need for UMTS/HSDPA without interfering. So they use WiFi for Hotspots & Hotspot @Home service ... for VERY cheap $19/mth for Starbucks locations and $9/mth for UMA @Home for UNLIMITED calls day in/out no restrictions ... ppl can even roam across the border & use it for even less than roaming & using network data prices.
So, my point for enabling the use of WIFI in SE phones (not just the Smartphones) is valid & intelligent & relevant. I still say the SE Marketing Manager is lost to events, changes, and markets outside of Europe & Asia.
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carkitter
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You make alot of sense.
I certainly agree that Wifi is a better option in N America than 3G, but free Wifi hotspots in NZ are few and far between and exist mainly at universities. I've discarded my landline and use 3G/HSDPA phones as modem (via VodafoneNZ) as my primary form of internet connection and so look forward to faster HSPA and LTE speeds
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