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Why the Iphone is a looser in Europe and Emea |
anonymuser
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I'm happy to see it fail because Apple are attempting to pioneer a particularly greedy retail strategy that could end up encouraging even more 18mth lockins and huge up-front premiums if successful. I've never paid more than £50 for a phone, and I still insist on a 12mth contract on all my upgrades; that's still furnished me with a phone currently which is more powerful, and more functional than the Iphone in literally every way.
If the Iphone was free (on a contract) would I buy it? No. It doesn't do what I need and expect from a phone right now; to be honest it's not even close. Forget the shoddy SMS and lack of picture messaging, where's the push email? Where's the Exchange support? In relative terms, it'd be lower tech than any phone I've ever had - fine if you get excited by the look of the thing, and its fashion accessory value, but of no interest to me.
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shanespencer
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On 2007-12-06 15:56:43, Boinng wrote:
where's the push email?
The iPhone can check for email every 15 minutes, if that helps. 
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anonymuser
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On 2007-12-06 16:18:07, shanespencer wrote:
The iPhone can check for email every 15 minutes, if that helps.
My T39 could do that in 2001
Push email (and push calendar, tasks etc with Exchange) is a little different.
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shanespencer
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On 2007-12-06 16:19:50, Boinng wrote:
Push email (and push calendar, tasks etc with Exchange) is a little different.
Yes, that's right. It does the job for me though - I don't get email every 3 minutes.
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chuksy
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Those apple guys are just too greedy...simple |
Truplaya
Joined: Nov 14, 2007
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On 2007-12-06 13:34:52, Krubach wrote:
Yep ... it all comes down to Price tag Vs. Features .
IPhone is overpriced for the features it has and the only innovating thing is the multi-tough screen.
The multi-touch screen loses its innovation once you've used it for a week. |
anonymuser
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On 2007-12-06 16:22:35, shanespencer wrote:
Yes, that's right. It does the job for me though - I don't get email every 3 minutes.
That's fair enough, and the Iphone may well be a fine choice for you, but for me there are too many compromises like this in what is supposed to be a high-end, high-technology, highly expensive device. For £269 + all the contract committment I expect the Iphone to support EVERY email standard, and do them better than anything else besides, but instead they expect users to make do with POP and IMAP, make do with email for sending pictures, make do with a limited SMS client, make do with EDGE for data, etc etc.. pretty shoddy IMO.
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shanespencer
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I've had mine for two weeks now, and it is still fresh and fun to use. It lacks a few (important to some) features, but it's still much easier and faster to operate than many phones on the market today. Considering all the flashy animations and effects, I'm amazed it runs as smoothly as it does. it's a heck of a lot faster than my old N95, anyway!
Incidentally, I think the price of the iPhone here is reasonable, but the O2 contract is disgusting. I got an unlocked one and took out a T-Mobile tarriff, which worked out a much better deal.
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shanespencer
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On 2007-12-06 16:47:47, Boinng wrote:
That's fair enough, and the Iphone may well be a fine choice for you, but for me there are too many compromises like this in what is supposed to be a high-end, high-technology, highly expensive device. For £269 + all the contract committment I expect the Iphone to support EVERY email standard, and do them better than anything else besides, but instead they expect users to make do with POP and IMAP, make do with email for sending pictures, make do with a limited SMS client, make do with EDGE for data, etc etc.. pretty shoddy IMO.
I think your points sum up Apple's miscalculations here. The European market is far more demanding than the US one is, on the whole. Customers here expect a lot more for their money, and with the combination of the iPhone and O2's crappy contract, they're not getting it!
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drgopoos
Joined: Dec 02, 2004
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Iphone
Pros...
1. changed appeal of mobile phones with new touch interface.
2. has every thing its promised working > 90%
3. Shows how good apple is in marketing products
4. This is their first phone !!!!
5. What ever said, it has been a big sucess
6. Price of 399 for an unlocked one and if you want to make a small effort , you can unlock it for free or a vendor can do that for 30-50 $
7. Huge screen ( l love it )
8. thin and sexy
9. Has introduced so much competition in mobile phone market.. see the no. of iphone like interfaces proping up.
Cons.
I dont have to mention anything, its all up here
Personally i wont buy one becoz it does not meet my needs. But happy to see such a product as indirectly i am going to get a good product from some other manufacturer or may apple itself going to release a much more feature packed handset and the new leopard has so much in it just for the next generation iphone
AND i dont own any apple product, except some apples that i regularly buy from the Chinese market !!!
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slattery69
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main thing that put me off is the price though i do chuckle at some of the comments that people make they mention all the things it cant do but never say how often they actually use those feature on there current handset
mms is a classic example people say they need it but how often do people us it when its far easier to email the pics from the phone and cheaper.
i m not saying its the greatest phone made as i dont think its anywhere close but its no where near as bad as people are making out.
most people dont use half the features on there current phone then have a go at a phone for not having them.
its still far to expensive as others have said free on the £45 a month tariff and say £50 for the cheaper ones. |
baconnugget
Joined: Jun 08, 2005
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another thing i dont like full touch because when im out on the drink on a night out it impossible to texts after a couple ov beers and doubles it hard enough on a normal n95 lol, half the people in newcastle are pissed on the wkd lol |
anonymuser
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mms is a classic example people say they need it but how often do people us it when its far easier to email the pics from the phone and cheaper.
The picture messaging would annoy me personally. Sending pictures by email is fine, but it's not the same as MMS - it's not instant, and it's not generally phone-to-phone, unless all your friends happen to check their email attachments on their handsets the whole time, which mine certainly don't.
Even if you're not a prolific snapper yourself, it's still handy to receive them - I have a few friends that send me spontaneous pics that they'd never think to email, even if they used email on their phones.
As for the other features the Iphone lacks - yup, sorry, but I do use them as well. I forward SMS's (I copy and paste from them as well, something else you can't do on an iphone). I use 3G, and even HSDPA on my current handset. I swap files and pictures by bluetooth sometimes (cheaper than email even). None of this is rocket science, they're features most of us have been taking for granted for years.
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slattery69
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i think your probably the execption to the rule then, i wager most people dont use 3g very often as it cost so much to use
i us to use bluetooth but i can plug a cable or drop my phone in a dock and do it quicker than bluetooth can.
i m not saying all the missing features arent required just the majority of mobile phone users wont miss them in the slightest how many people send mms on a regular basis very few i ll bet i ve sent about 20 since it came out and most of those when free mms are about and i ve received about the same amount back.Try to find out the figures for mms use in the uk no company seems to want to say what the usage is text msgs they ll shout from the roof tops how many have been sent.
most people in reality text take pics listen to music and make calls probably in that order.
i think people should buy what suits there needs and pockets , if the iphone was the same price as any of the current se or nokia handsets (ie free ) on a £25 plus a month price plan it would have sold like hot cakes and only the very chosey would be the ones who werent buying them |
shanespencer
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I also don't use MMS. I used them once or twice last year when I got my w900, but I received more than I sent (and that was only about 6 or 7). They would annoy me, as they took so long to download (Vodafone's signal is awful where I live).
Just a reason why I love my iPhone so much:
The other night, I walked home from work. I was listening to music on the (iPhone's) iPod, when an email came in. I switched from iPod to email, read my mail, then went back to the iPod. A minute later, I came a cross a restaurant that - lit up - looked great at night, so I stopped and took a photo, whilst still listening to the iPod. The fact that all this was so effortless and took a second or two to carry out more than made the cost of buying an iPhone for me. There was no slowdown whatsoever in operating the phone. I could never have done that on my w800, w900, k800, w580 or N95. At least, not as quickly, smoothly or effortlessly.
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By the way, my iPhone is not loose. 
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