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rockerZ
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On 2007-10-29 12:11:11, >500 wrote:
@rockerz
mate, you feeling alright? I dont need you to tell me the w900i didnt sell well.  call me what you like, i dont praise  phones like you seem to think. But hey, i cant change your opinion can i 
oh and, to point out your last post
"@pop lover and @>500
Where are you guys ?
Almost everyone knows that the W900 sales were not well that's why it was discontinued ... If it really was SO GOOD then why did people not buy it ? why did SE discontinue ? "
ahhh, matey, you answered your own q, it didnt sell well  and what do i have to do with this? read over my first post i made in this thread, read it thoroughly..... and its poplover who brought up w900 sales, not me, i just gave a suggestion as to what he may have meant.
think its time you went and played with your t650.... OOoo wait, you dont have one.... (or have you bought one since that fake thread)
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[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2007-10-29 11:16 ]
EDIT : This guy is already insane anyways , i shoudn't be disturbing this whole thread because of him ...
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Pop Lover
Joined: Jun 15, 2007
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From: Amman, Jordan
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i don't care about the sales of w900!
I had this phone for once then Buy it and i am regret about that
W900 is a full Walkman phone in it's time
I wish sony ericsson build walkman phone with:
2MP AF Camera and Flash Led + 30 QVGA MP4 Video Record
2.4 screen in QVGA Reselution
Loud Loudspeaker Like W900 and Clear like W850
Well sized phone in design
JP8+Walkman Player 3 + full visualization
That's all
wait a minute am I talking about my Dream Walkman phone or Dream phone very close to W900?! 
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>500
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edit: actually, this is immature. so i wont leave my original post for others to see.
rockerZ, think of me what you will, i dont care to be honest, especially when things are false!
lets stick to topic, for a change!
thanks
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anonymuser
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Having just ditched SE for the first time since 2000 when they were just called E, I can step back and be honest about this, and the fact is that SE have lost the technical lead they once enjoyed.
For quite a while Ericsson, and Sony Ericsson, had cutting edge credentials - while Nokia always went for the popular, friendly, clunky designs, SE phones innovated, and you could always be reasonably sure that the technology was ahead of the competition. Phones like the T68, and T610 for example, were amazing in their day; so too was the P800, a smartphone that literally made the competition look stupid. Somewhere, that got lost in the last few years. Nokia, especially, have streaked ahead with their smartphones, not only blurring the line considerably between smartphone and consumer device (marketing the N95 as a camera phone for example), but also progressing the technology itself far futher than SE seem able to.
The decline of UIQ since the P800 is quite sad; the P990, intended as a glorious rebirth of the line, was without doubt an unmitigated disaster; and nice as the P1i unquestionably is, it's undeniably old technology. Come next year, Nokia will add touchscreen functionality to S60 and if I'm honest, I can't really see UIQ surviving that. Why use UIQ when S60 has so much more support, runs on the same underlying OS with all those same advantages, and now does touch as well?
What seems to have happened is that SE have focussed on the mass-market brands like Walkman and Cybershot, and lost sight of the need for real innovation, and real "hero" phones. Their flagships just aren't up to snuff anymore, they've dropped behind the times, and without any of that new technology being developed at the top end there's nothing new filtering down into the rest of the range. |
BobaFett
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From: Kamino (wish it would be Lund)
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se makes itself bad, not we or anybody else imo...
/// had once the knowledge hot to make mobiles, sony offers only cams and mp3, thats all...
since ages nothing new from se, instead of increasing mp in their cams and wm feature with some changes...
ppl get bored of it, excpet those, who are loyal to se
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Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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From: London England
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Hi all,
Yet another thread where some can see clearly whilst others vision is clouded by their love and devotion to SE.
Really Boinng has summed it up perfectly and as sad as that is their really is nothing to disagree with in what he has said it's quite simply the facts.
Marc
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>500
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@Marc
Indeed what Boinng has said is true, i do agree.... I think are lacking in many areas. I feel for those who want n95 stlye phones from them, but get nothing at like it at all! But i dont see reason to make the same sort of threads over and over. Also, you mention some are blinded by their love and devotion to . I am curious, why does this affect you?
In my case, the main use my phone gets is sms, calling and a bit of music listening here and there. So whilst i do agree with Boinng, im not overly worried my self, as i said above, i dont use my phone for many things. However, if i do find the need for other features/specs which dont currently offer, it would be very easy for me to switch to another brand which suits my requirements!
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mailboxmanoj
Joined: May 15, 2007
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On 2007-10-29 08:50:33, bahraini wrote:
well
lately, or let me say this thing strated since last year
ive seen many ppl complaining about SE and their phones.
it sound like nothing will make them happy,
they always compare SE with nokia, and worse than this
they compare 2 different type of phones
like last one, W910 vs N81
who is that insane who will make such comparision??
a midd java class phone, with high end smart phone??
huuuuuge different between those phone, why they are
made, and wats their target..
then ppl say, look , nokia is better, so why u dont compare 2 phones
on the same range then judge??
also , why always compare to nokia??
why not motorola or samsung and LG
which i think its more logical , cuz those companies are fighting
with each other, and they left nokia alone.
nokia is the only company now who drown the market with their high end
phones.
all other r taking slow and carefull steps..
SE is far better than moto and LG
with samsung, i think they r equal , except for the new G800
which gave samsung one step ahead..
am really tired of seeing ppl whining all the time
as they r still buying old green screen , or mono ring tones..
i think we should give SE some credit, for the perfection of the menue
which ppl always complain to change, WHY U LIKE TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT??
just for the sake of a change??
the CAM , sometime i think its either me blind or other ppl just have something wrong with their eyes, cuz after final releaze i see great pics from SE , K850 , NO WAY nokia can be better
but still ppl complain..
i really think we should rethink about wat SE is givving us
its good thing to give them idea wat ppl want
but i hate when we ignore the good work and make them
look like the worst
Hi bahraini,
I'll tell u smthg, I started using cell phones since last year and my first cell was the K300, and let me tell u it did give me a very good service.
I agree with u, the ONLY reason this is happening is coz people are expecting a lot from SE and they want to see SE beat Nokia in every aspect of communication and why not? coz SE has the capability!!!
I guess since all die hard SE lovers like Se they complain, jusr being loyal does not mean that they cannot complain.
I feel all phones from Nokia are the same, in fact they release and discard models at will, maybe since Nokia has been in this telecom field for a long time have they acquired this lead but let me tell u my friend,there r pleanty of aspects in which SE can excel, I guess people bank on the name SONY.
Lets hope SE will spring a surprise and give us good phones
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anonymuser
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I'm certainly speaking from a smartphone user's perspective - I was a massive fan of the P800 (it's the only phone I've ever chosen to keep for longer than a year), and I stuck by UIQ after that through the P910 and M600 (thankfully not the P990). I liked both those phones, but neither of them got close to the sense of cutting edge innovation that the P800 embodied. Now I have an HTC Tytn II, and although it's a beast of a phone in terms of size and weight, it does literally have *everything* you could ask for from a "top of the range" phone in 2007 - not something that SE can claim for any of its models.
Of course if you're an occasional caller/texter then you'd never look at anything like the Tytn and wouldn't even notice that SE didn't have anything to compete with it - but even so, even at the modest consumer level, SE's range is suffering through the lack of high-end innovation. Taking Nokia as the obvious example - the work they've done pushing the limits of Symbian and S60 is all filtering down into their lower-end phones. Friends of mine who would have had bog standard Nokias in the past are all now walking around with phones like the N95 in their pocket; they might never have consciously chosen a smartphone, but they've still got a nice looking camera-phone that happens to have GPS built in, and that picks their email up, etc.. the high technology at the top end is gradually becoming the norm further down. The iphone is another example of that, and another phone that SE aren't even close to competing with.
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bahraini
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On 2007-10-29 13:41:34, mailboxmanoj wrote:
Hi bahraini,
I'll tell u smthg, I started using cell phones since last year and my first cell was the K300, and let me tell u it did give me a very good service.
I agree with u, the ONLY reason this is happening is coz people are expecting a lot from SE and they want to see SE beat Nokia in every aspect of communication and why not? coz SE has the capability!!!
I guess since all die hard SE lovers like Se they complain, jusr being loyal does not mean that they cannot complain.
I feel all phones from Nokia are the same, in fact they release and discard models at will, maybe since Nokia has been in this telecom field for a long time have they acquired this lead but let me tell u my friend,there r pleanty of aspects in which SE can excel, I guess people bank on the name SONY.
Lets hope SE will spring a surprise and give us good phones
ok , but why we only look to nokia??
we all know SE is not SONY or ERICSSON
yes it has their name, but its another company
they only borrow brand from sony nothing more
so , in 5 years theve done great job
so tell me is their any company could do the same??
they cant compete with the nokia budget
so , again, why only nokia, why not to look to moto, samsung, lg
which all of them has more money than SE , and doing worse fones
???
ive never seen one of those companies compared tonokia
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chowchow
Joined: Mar 30, 2007
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@bahraini,
I think its reasonable to compare N81 and W910 if we talk about the pricing.... since W910 is more expensive than N81. A smart buyer will consider the price against what you are getting from a phone. There have been so many comparisons made but its really obvious that N81 offers MORE, as in MORE.....and IMO N81's design is quite impressive and better than W910.
And N81 might be my next nokia phone after 3 years.
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anonymuser
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Bahraini, Nokia is the obvious competitor to compare them to because (a) they're the biggest, and because (b) historically they were the arch-rivals to Ericsson, and SE essentially is still that same Ericsson phone division, legally separated from Ericsson proper and operating under a shared brand with Sony. A lot of us here remember Ericsson phones, and our frustration at how poorly they sold compared to Nokia; when SE came into being, many of us hoped the re-invigorated brand would make real inroads into Nokia territory. And in fairness, they have, but at the same we've seen Nokia seemingly replace Ericsson as the real innovators in the market, while at the same time retaining much of their market dominance.
You bring up Moto, Samsung, LG etc - and yes, we could debate how their models compare with SE, and no I wouldn't say they were superior - but they're close, too close, and in some cases they've surpassed SE. Again, even a tired old company like Motorola has some newer technology on the market that leads the field from SE. I wouldn't touch their RIZR Z8 personally, but the fact that it takes SE's own UIQ platform and does things like HSDPA in a phone released before the HSDPA-less P1i does concern me. Where the ranges of Ericsson and early SE would once have included literally every new feature available on a phone, now you have once-insignificant companies like Samsung and LG able to boast about capabilities that SE simply don't have in any of their models - that's sad.
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>500
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On 2007-10-29 14:37:56, chowchow wrote:
@bahraini,
I think its reasonable to compare N81 and W910 if we talk about the pricing.... since W910 is more expensive than N81.
the w910 is cheaper, no? Looking on ebay, online shops etc. w910 is a fair bit cheaper? 
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goldenface
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^^^ Yeah, I was just reading an article on one of the tech sites which said the N81 might be priced as high as £394 in the UK, not sure about other countries though.
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jemuel
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Loved SE! never disappionted me before.. but with nokia... always! never buying a nokia again!
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