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Why do Esato members hate the iPod? |
loonee
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i don't hate ipod, LOVE IT!!! | |
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fatreg
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On 2007-03-24 20:47:16, slattery69 wrote:
providing you use the apple lossless coding (and dont mind the large file sizes) they are very good sounding no match for a cd player or a md player. just get a decent set of head phones and dont use any equalisers on the sound.
you having a glggle?
i've used and owned, bose on ear headpones and noise cancelling 2 headphones, also sony V700s and EX90 (currently saving for a pair of Grado RS1) and i can quite confidently say that the sound created from my MD player is a lot better than my ipod..
while i do understand it all boils down to personal pref, i find the ipod matched with whatever headphones just lacks, mid, bass and warmth. but i'm part of the old school. i dont think you can beat vinyl on any level, a proper set up with vinyl and you will feel something you have never felt before, vinyl just brings music alive, but yeah thats why i dont think im totally in love my my ipod!
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icaka
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I don't hate iPods but will NEVER buy one.I have pretty good audio rigs(as you can see) and a W950i when I'm going out for 1-2 hours and don't want to carry Archos and stuff.You are right that NOT ALL WALKMANS beat iPods but these Ws which are with higher price tag (W950i in mind) SMACK the iPod G5 Video.W950i + Koss Protapro is my "ultra mobile" rig and will upgrade it ONLY with Maria.My roommate in the university has an iPod G5 and I made a comparison and was disappointed by the iPod - really shitty output.The W950i with Koss Portapros are BY FAR the BEST ultra-mobile rig(I mean,I call it like this because I don't like to carry more than one electronic device all the time).Bare in mind,its not only the device,but the format you listen to - in these 4GB I put my favourite songs in WAV format,and not-so-favourite-but-still-like-them  in high-bitrate CBR aac in order to save space.I consider myself An Audiophile and as one of these I am very sensitive to the quality,so no place for iPod
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slattery69
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On 2007-03-25 16:05:04, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-03-24 20:47:16, slattery69 wrote:
providing you use the apple lossless coding (and dont mind the large file sizes) they are very good sounding no match for a cd player or a md player. just get a decent set of head phones and dont use any equalisers on the sound.
you having a glggle?
i've used and owned, bose on ear headpones and noise cancelling 2 headphones, also sony V700s and EX90 (currently saving for a pair of Grado RS1) and i can quite confidently say that the sound created from my MD player is a lot better than my ipod..
while i do understand it all boils down to personal pref, i find the ipod matched with whatever headphones just lacks, mid, bass and warmth. but i'm part of the old school. i dont think you can beat vinyl on any level, a proper set up with vinyl and you will feel something you have never felt before, vinyl just brings music alive, but yeah thats why i dont think im totally in love my my ipod!
fatreg
er i was agreeing the ipod is no match for a md player or a cd player. however i do think with a decent set of headphones and a knowledge of how to rip music it can produce a decent sound. the mid does lack but thats common with all mp3 and the ilk encoding.
i m also old school i have separtes and vinyl have done for years, its no substitue but then its not meant to be. there about portable music for the gym going to work etc
so for these purposes i ll take the dip in sound quality and chose the music that suffers the least from the dip |
supers33d
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Im not a big fan of the ipod as listening to music is a bit like a racket. Its like listening to the noise of a sharp fingernail scraping a chalk board. The SE brings a nice balanced sound. |
fatreg
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On 2007-03-25 22:16:11, slattery69 wrote:
On 2007-03-25 16:05:04, fatreg wrote:
On 2007-03-24 20:47:16, slattery69 wrote:
providing you use the apple lossless coding (and dont mind the large file sizes) they are very good sounding no match for a cd player or a md player. just get a decent set of head phones and dont use any equalisers on the sound.
you having a glggle?
i've used and owned, bose on ear headpones and noise cancelling 2 headphones, also sony V700s and EX90 (currently saving for a pair of Grado RS1) and i can quite confidently say that the sound created from my MD player is a lot better than my ipod..
while i do understand it all boils down to personal pref, i find the ipod matched with whatever headphones just lacks, mid, bass and warmth. but i'm part of the old school. i dont think you can beat vinyl on any level, a proper set up with vinyl and you will feel something you have never felt before, vinyl just brings music alive, but yeah thats why i dont think im totally in love my my ipod!
fatreg
er i was agreeing the ipod is no match for a md player or a cd player. however i do think with a decent set of headphones and a knowledge of how to rip music it can produce a decent sound. the mid does lack but thats common with all mp3 and the ilk encoding.
i m also old school i have separtes and vinyl have done for years, its no substitue but then its not meant to be. there about portable music for the gym going to work etc
so for these purposes i ll take the dip in sound quality and chose the music that suffers the least from the dip
i got the wrong end of the stick.
sorry.
:S
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Hlcn Twst
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On 2007-03-25 23:09:32, supers33d wrote:
Im not a big fan of the ipod as listening to music is a bit like a racket. Its like listening to the noise of a sharp fingernail scraping a chalk board. The SE brings a nice balanced sound.
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goldenface
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In answer to the first original question, first of all I don't think all Esato members hate the iPod but there may be a fundamental disagreement with some on how we should go about listening to our music on the go.
Music-phones are about convenience/convergence, while iPod is more for the image conscious, hence the trendy marketing - thats my opinion anyway. Then the more and more Sony Ericsson and iPod look like they are gonna step on each other's toes, the more defiant each camp becomes 
Music-phone owners argue mostly about having the convenience of a music player that pauses to take a call; invaluable and quite clever really when you think about it, while the main argument from the iPod camp is its greater storage - an argument which gets weaker and weaker as the storage of memory cards gets greater and greater.
Personally, its good that there is a choice and we should thank the iPod / iPhone really for raising the game in portable music but for me a W950i with a AF camera and wireless headphones would be a more attractive package than any dedicated music player.
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Hlcn Twst
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All of you who insist the iPod is only about image are some combination of ignorant and delusional. I'm going to repeat myself from my first post to remind you of what the iPod really offers, and what makes it superior IMO to  phones when used for multimedia. Notice that "image," "status," etc. aren't on the list 
- PC compatibility: iTunes is available for Windoze and Mac; Disc2Phone is PeeCee only.
- PC integration: iTunes blows away the joke that is Disc2Phone, for organizing and automatically transferring content, playlists included. And iTunes does so much more. (Yes, Mac's do drag'n'drop. But iTunes obviates this step, if you so choose. It's funny how people dislike having computers automatically perform mundane, repretitive tasks for them
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- Storage: iPods come in sizes from 1 GB to 80 GB. What's the largest MSDP currently available? 8 GB, I believe, and - by itself - it costs as much as an 8 GB iPod Nano. So there goes the storage capacity vs. price argument.
- Battery: How do iPods with power-hungry hard drives outlast phones with nothing bu flash memory? Well, they do, if you keep the app running continually.
- Navigation: The iPod automatically organizes your content extremely logically, and the click-wheel makes it extremely easy to find specific content. content organization is entirely manual, and getting to it with a D-pad or joystick is a chore. (Especially if you have a larger memory card filled to capacity. Yikes!)
- Display: iPod video and
 W880 are both QVGA resolution with 65K colors. But, the iPod's display diagonally measures 2.5" vs. the W880's paltry 1.8".
- Sound Quality: If all you care about is (muddy) bass, phones are great. For clean, balanced (some might say "reference") sound, the iPod is unbeatable.
Some of you are crying that the iPod doesn't make calls, handle messages, or take pictures. You are either reaching for any excuse to sh!t on the iPod, or are just plain stupid. The iPod is a portable multimedia device - end of story! It was never marketed as a phone. It was never sold as a phone. Those of you who think otherwise, do you hate your toaster because it can't walk your dog for you? Is your car a piece of sh!t for its inability to serve lattés to you and your passengers?
All you get with a phone is the convenience of convergence. And that "advantage," mainly having calls automatically un/pause the music, is obviated by such devices a this one. As for portability - don't most modern men outside the US carry a bag anyway? Man or woman, I guarantee that an iPod takes up little room in and adds little weight to your bag.
Again, phones are nice - they are wonderful products after all - but they can't match what iPods can do for portable multimedia.
Time to un-bookmark this page. It looks like all this unfounded iPod hate is too deeply rooted into Esato 
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supers33d
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But the pc compatibility takes to long man you gotta plug this plug that install all this software and hope it doesnt crash plus you gotta open the software sort the mp3z etc. All that time I could be growing some tea leaves to drink my tea.
With a phone just pop in the mem card in a mem card reader and drag and drop. |
>500
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On 2007-03-26 16:10:17, Hlcn Twst wrote:
[*] Display: iPod video and W880 are both QVGA resolution with 65K colors. But, the iPod's display diagonally measures 2.5" vs. the W880's paltry 1.8".
ahh, does the nano have 2.5" screen look at the size of the w880, and then look at the size of 30gb/80gb and see why it has a larger screen.... im sure if the w880i was 80gb ipod size it would have had a bigger screen....
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Hlcn Twst
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On 2007-03-26 16:50:37, supers33d wrote:
But the pc compatibility takes to long man you gotta plug this plug that install all this software and hope it doesnt crash plus you gotta open the software sort the mp3z etc. All that time I could be growing some tea leaves to drink my tea.
With a phone just pop in the mem card in a mem card reader and drag and drop.
iPod: plug in the cable, sync (it's fast!), and eject.
Memory card: extricate from phone, put into reader, wait for reader to mount as a drive, open up a drive folder, find your music, drag'n'drop to the card, eject, put back into phone.
Your "tea" (it sounds like it's more than that) is clearly affecting your perception of the flow of time, LOL
@jedi-master: screen size has no correlation with drive size And the Nano doesn't play videos, so it doesn't need a big display.
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i just dont like Apple in general, dont know why though. i cant say their products attract me.... ill take an iriver over an ipod thanks, better music imo...
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Sammy_boy
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You don't need to take the mem stick out or anything like that, it should be recognised as a portable drive once you plug it into the PC with the DCU-60 cable. You can also use Explorer to drag and drop files onto the phone, much better and quicker than Disc2Phone. That's what I do, much quicker and easier! 
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@jedi-master: screen size has no correlation with drive size And the Nano doesn't play videos, so it doesn't need a big display.
[ This Message was edited by: Hlcn Twst on 2007-03-26 16:03 ]
screen size has no correlation with drive size i am talking about the final products physical size if it had bigger screen...
so, the w880i is thin and small, and it's a PHONE, so doesnt need a big screen.
edit: this thread is about ipods and why people dislike them..... i think we should stop comparing and apple ipod.... yes im aware ive just done this above twice, but will stop posting off topic...
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