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fatreg
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to be fair.. vertu isnt owned by nokia at all...
they just use there products..
there not designed to be all singing all dancing, its a instrument not a phone.
the workmanship and design and name is what your buying, your not buying a 4gb phone aimed at playing music.
i was well suprised at how heavy it was tmag, i'd notice it was in my pocket!!
roll on thursday 
WOOOOOHOOOOOO
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axxxr
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On 2006-11-13 20:20:46, fatreg wrote:
to be fair.. vertu isnt owned by nokia at all...
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Vertu is owned by Nokia FACT!!
According to: wikipedia
\"It is an independently run fully owned subsidiary of the phone manufacturer Nokia.\"
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Berry
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Its like saying Sony own shares in Aiwa......or they used too....
Anyway, fact is its still a good phone. And all the oinformation you get when receiving one, shows just pure quality....
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aff1993
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Look at this
that is the ascent, i liked the concierge, my Signature platinum was Ok, not worth its money though, i got it for $8000 and sold it for $9500 on ebay, only 1 bid!!!
I threw it a couple of times, nothing happened.
Oh and for the fake vertu post, or VEPTU, someones selling em here http://molotok.ru/catalog/lot/13227191/
My Siganture Platinum had ruby bearings that made not hitting a key impossible, and the sound was good, but it had no wireless connection whatso ever (IrDA or Bluetooth or WiFi...), and no site had support for the games, although it never froze the phone facts said it went through 96 hand done tests.
Although my charger was plain plastic, and that scratched, but i didnt think it was worth it, rather a P990
Anyone else got one?? or had one??
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mustu
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On 2006-11-11 11:41:28, Sammy_boy wrote:
All very impressive, but I still wouldn't blow all that money on that thing! I'd rather have a feature-rich 'plastic' phone and buy a half-decent car or put a deposit down on one with the rest that buy one of those things!
Or buy a top of the range HD plasma TV, damned fine hi-fi, or one hell of a PC with the extra 2-3 grand I'd save buy buying a W950i or a P990i or a K800i instead of a Vertu! 
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Ok well thats great for you but what does one do when they have all of the things mentioned by you.I havea sound system from www.thetadigital and B&W 800 Series speakers and also some stuff from shunyata.... well www.shunyata.com and I have cars as well and a driver lol .....so where does that leave me and a great pc and a mac now what .... well a vertu is the best phone I have used till date sound and feel wise and i must say i would not like to part with it for a PDA phone or a phone that has many crazy functions.....I have people to remind me what I have to do incase i forget... |
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Remember the days when owning a mobile would mark you out as someone special? Well,ownership of a Vertu phone nowadays makes the same statement as using a Mont Blanc pen,or wearing a Patek Philippe watch it’s an emotional assertion about your inner happiness. to see just what makes Vertu mobile phones so unique.
The company hand-assembles its worldwide production at a high-tech industrial building in Hampshire, south west of London. To see the manufacturing process (and the best automotive comparison would probably be the McLaren F1 that was built not so far away at Woking) you are reminded of either a modern F1 technical facility or a Swiss watch company. In fact the connections actually do run deep staff at Vertu have spent time at Bentley Motors studying the fine processes that signify the term ‘hand-crafted ,as well as using the traditional Swiss watch
making skills of precious-metal handling and finishing.
Vertu produce two models, the ‘Signature’, a phone so detailed that only 5 people in the company can make them (and that’s after 3 years’ training…), and one that could be described in watchmaking terms as a ‘Grand Complication’ with its 388 mechanical components and ruby bearings supporting the keys to give them that characteristically precise touch. The other is the ‘Ascent’, a performance-oriented phone with its unique Liquimetal® chassis that features in the company’s current publicity material – being run over by a Sports Car: and working perfectly afterwards of course.
No two Vertu luxury phones are the same. Such is the complexity of the design, and the infinitely skilled patience of the workers, that hand-assembly and finishing and polishing ensure that differences unseen to all but the most highly trained eye are allowed for in assembly to produce
closing faces that fit perfectly, with no gaps, squeaks or rattles. And such is the dedication of the final inspection process that a high percentage are sent back for rectification very often a complete strip-down and re -assembly. And the final polishing station for the ‘Signature’ has a craftsman with skills learnt in the Swiss watch industry, knowing the nuances of grain in gold, titanium and platinum.
Two new products grace the line-up pre-Christmas. The ‘Vertu Ascent White Special Edition’follows on from the success of the ‘Ascent Pink’, while the ‘Vertu Ascent Motorsport Limited Edition’ has a carbon fibre inlay (from the same manufacturer who supplies parts for F1 cars), and
is being showcased by a racing programme in the Porsche Michelin Supercup that includes ten Grand Prix-supporting races in Europe and two in the USA. It’s this model that has the closest ties with modern ‘super-sports’ cars like the Porsche GT3. Hand-stitched leather, speaker ports that
mimic the air vents of a racing car, and titanium and ceramic components draw strong parallels with the world of the race track.
Like the car that wears its logo, only 997 examples of the ‘Motorsport Limited Edition ’ will be made.And after the final (final!) checking and polishing, when the phone is ready for despatch, the serial number is laser-engraved onto the back, and comprehensive digital photographs are made of its every angle as a complete record of the birth of a new member of the ‘Vertu Family’. As every example has a back that only fits its correct Vertu front exactly, it’s important for the manufacturer to record everything that leaves the factory, and is an invaluable tool in the aftersales experience.
Concierge Service
It doesn ’t end when the customer takes the phone home and powers it up – far from it. All Vertu phones come with one year ’s Vertu Concierge Service (renewable on a yearly basis thereafter),accessed via a special button on the side of the hand set. Available every day of the year, round
the clock, a personal adviser is there to help you make travel arrangements, book ‘the unbookable’ play or restaurant table, or just help out to make a busy person ’s life that little bit easier.
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those pics explain why these phones are expensive, still wouldn't buy one though
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Berry
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@ PeterKay.....
you can try and steal the one i am selling?
Its in a safety deposit box.....
*cough cough*
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PeterKay
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Come down later Tmag
Or you could give it for free as a gift
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fatreg
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On 2006-11-16 09:47:26, tmag2005 wrote:
@ PeterKay.....
you can try and steal the one i am selling?
Its in a safety deposit box.....
*cough cough*
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its where tmag?
in my hands?
oh yeah thats right
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Berry
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Yeah it is now but thats a month after my post...
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ori
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You should look deeply to the concept of the products. This will help you to understand why the Vertu is pricey... I will post my article on this subject in few minutes I think... |
ori
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This is a long message, I would even call it an article but it fully explains my ideas about vertu, and I think they might be interesting.
The main idea.
I believe that the concept of the Vertu phones is mistaken by many under the influence of advertisement and other means of impact. First of all Vertu is not a designers phones, there is no actual design behind it, because Frank Nuovo (nothing personal) is not that talented for creating an iconic mobile phone. How many good phones from design point we know made by Nokia, I believe I can name only few, like two or three models, why am I asking – because Frank Nuovo was a chief Nokia’s designer for years, he didn’t work only with Vertu division, in other words how a designer who couldn’t make inspiring projects for Nokia may create something special with the Vertu name on it. The answer is - There is no actual way, I believe. One can say it is a matter of taste, yet I think that “the matter of taste” can be applied when speaking of a really designers item with a pronounced style.
Vertu is created through the very “luxury” model.
I’m not sure how many of Vertu admirers do understand what product it really is, yet there are those who don’t care and those who just don’t see the thing. I call it the “Luxury” model; it is a range of things and services considered to give you not efficiency but something above it. Which is called the special status of its owner or consumer.
Though there are two very different spheres, which are sometimes merged into one because of incomprehension the idea. One is when the status of the owner comes from the owner himself, from his style, thoughts, and visions and in other words (which is the main ingredient) the mind he owns. It is something like an inborn vision. Such people are status bearing no matter what brands or things they use or own, but there is some small detail that is, however, very important. When you have a taste and a vision you stick to the products made with same passion for the beauty or comfort you share. Sometimes such things are pricey, sometimes they are not. Sometimes restaurants where you feel they really put their hearts into cooking might be considered fashionable or trendy at the same time. And that is the point where two completely different worlds do merge.
The second type of the products gives the status to the owner by themselves, so that the concept is put upside down. Now you have status if you wear and use certain products, it doesn’t matter where your money came from or what is in your mind (if there is anything) having basic ideas of style or an assistant who would help you with them, you can enter the world of “luxury”. The second concept is very primeval and is based on a simple idea – if we have a group of creatures developed at nearly the same level, let’s say it would be monkeys, and let one monkey find something special, unique and available in one piece, this very monkey will become a leader or a role model for the whole group. Now we have a group of thousands millions, what was one piece became a thousands against millions in mass production, so now we have a whole industry working for monkeys to make them special. The way to make some monkeys special yet others just desire to be so is of course the instrument called “the price”. With the high price we automatically divide those who can and those who cannot afford the product. It is the first step on the motivation to buy those products. The second step of motivation is advertisement, in the case of Vertu and other brands made through the “Luxury” model, it is a life style that is advertised not specific products. Such pattern is used in movies and in TV ads of course, they also buy some movie stars and famous persons so that they use only specific products. In that case you have a fine line of products from cars to tableware and clothes. Many don’t understand but the “Luxury” pattern is one of the instruments that corporations and other social institutions have to make the individual stay in the constraint of society. Advertising the “Luxury” patter they stimulate you to be the exemplary citizen, the same way they do with the credits. Yet on other level.
The sad part is that it is really hard to determine to what group the product really belongs to, or even the person (to understand the person you should spent some time speaking with him, some times one hour is enough yet there are cases that you need a year to clearly understand). The problem is if you travel with fist class or business class it may mean two completely different things, one - you do value the comfort and you know you wouldn’t be able to work the next day of the flight if you choose economy, another - you use the first class because it makes you special (not really, only in your mind, and in the minds of thousands millions others who share the same influence). May be the example with the flight is not the best. For example I own two umbrellas one from Prada worth 400 USD and other from +_ zero (designed by Naoto Fukasawa) worth 40 USD. And usually I prefer the one from +_ zero. Because it fills like something really designed with the soul. Yet the materials used are pretty cheap and I usually wonder how good it would be if the price would be bigger yet with the quality better. But as for the Parada’s one, it is my second one from them, the first one broken in one week, I even hadn’t used it outside, just opened to see if it fits my new outfit, and it collapsed, thoughofcourse they game me the new one. So the price doesn’t mean quality, because the design is also a part of the quality concept. From other hand I can’t say that there are no products that inspire yet are made through the very “luxury” model. But they are exclusions. There are even bands built through the same model yet with the whole range or the good products, lets say Porsche Design, I own few things from them and do believe that the design is at its best. Sometimes it happens because big “Luxury” companies offer good salaries to the designers. From that point there are a lot of exclusions, but the majority is easy to identify. Vertu, Mobiado, Goldwish, (if we speak of mobile phones) are the second pattern companies. The products from such companies are nothing special, they have quality because they must, but it is not a basement for their price, they are pricey because the are made through the “Luxury” patter where the big price is one of the instruments to sell the product. There are always audio systems those who work with the audio industry use, usually they are unknown for usual customers, but there are group of product that are known and very pricey yet considered not interesting for the audiophiles… I believe that projects like Samsung + B&O Serene are real Luxury in its original idea – the pure pleasure from something not because you were made to believe that the very thing gives you, but because it gives. Because I think that in spite of the fact many people from the second group use B&O it it originally created for the first one.
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p900 lover
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I would love to own this phone but being 18 and going to uni next year i dont have the cash, i was never 100% sure about this phone but after i got the 8800 i love the way it felt so the vertu can only be better than that.
Maybe a few years down the line i will own 1, |
fatreg
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i was 18 when i first saw one, im now 22 and i have one..
so there is hope
Ori... i see your point but the point about the serene and the vertu? thats like comparing a BMW and a Koenigsegg .. both are cars, arguably the BMW do make very good cars among the likes of the M5, 7 series.. but take for example the Koenigsegg all the cars are hand made in sweden by a very small selct amount of people, i like to think of my vertu as a buy into something that has been pain stakingly made, every effort ensured to make sure that its of the top notch. and to be fair it is, its solid, doesnt sqeak, and just works. where as you have the serene that has a few more features, the flippy thing, yes its cool but that just it, its cool, doesnt serve any help to me whatsoever, and there was the odd time when it would open and shut again like have a freak out...
the serene is cool, the vertu is the don. how many style magazines do you see vertus in? ermm lots! i only ever saw the serene in T3/Stuff etc...
thats my 2 cents
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