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absinthebri
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Posted: 2006-03-18 19:57
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That's two lines, singh. [addsig]
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Posted: 2006-03-18 20:36
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i meant sentence
tranquil
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Posted: 2006-03-19 20:48
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Topics on touchy subjects are a nightmare to us moderators.
It be ploitical, religious, gay or any other type of topic where different views on sencitive subjects ae discussed.

First of all;
Writing on a forum is not the same as discussing something face to face with another person. In real life these discussions might have been perfectly suttle all the way through because of facial expressions and bodylanguage underlining what you mean. You say something ironic, in real life, and blink your eye or do some sort of gesture to make sure the other part realize you are.
In a forum these underlining gestures are replaced with smilies. Not everyone use them the way the are ment and in the heat of the moment it's easy to forget they even exist. Some members are good at using italic, bold and CAPITAL letters as well as smilies to replace body language (and some overdo th use of it...) whilst others never use any of the above.
There is plenty of room for missunderstanding each other in a written discussion and I believe several flame wars was started due to that.

2nd: Modreating a topic on any of the subjects mentioned above mean a pile of PMs demanding an exlpenation for doing what was done; removing a post or two, locking the topic or even removing it, and in worst case senario banning one or two members. It's a real pain in the but sometimes having to explain obvious things when people don't want to understand.
Another funny thing is that when we lock a topic like that there is allways one or two members sending a PM to have it unlocked for a few minutes to get the last word...

Personally I dislike topics like we discuss here, but they seem to have found their place in the Mobile Free Zone.
As Axxxr says; As long as they are in that forum, but they allways seem to turn in to a flame war and end up getting locked all for the same reason; Lack of respect to other peoples' views and beliefs.
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absinthebri
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Posted: 2006-03-19 21:36
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Quote:

On 2006-03-19 20:48:42, tranquil wrote:
...but they allways seem to turn in to a flame war and end up getting locked all for the same reason; Lack of respect to other peoples' views and beliefs.





I think it's more correct to say some posters seem incapable of hearing any view contrary to their own or treating other posters with respet.

Other posters are able to deal with the most complex and subtle of issues with sensitivity and respect. [addsig]
tranquil
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Posted: 2006-03-19 22:41
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That is, kind of, what I meant to say; It only takes one to flip the boat.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 07:13
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So its "to be" then??
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Posted: 2006-03-20 07:36
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Hey 786BKR, you don't mind a good shit fight do ya? I know I don't mind My vote is "to be"

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Posted: 2006-03-20 10:34
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I agree with various views in this thread, if you don't like a thread don't get involved (unless you really want to stir things up). Some people are natural talkers and it's only in their character to defend their beliefs. Respect other peoples views even if is a total opposite of your. DON'T be quick to anger (i'd rather people be witty and humorous with their arguments even if it is a serious topic) But the biggest thing I don't seem to understand is when people back up what they say with so called 'facts'. What makes a fact a fact, what makes an opinion an opinion? What is the truth? At the the end of the day all I can say is that I think that it facts/truth/evidence is whatever an individual FEELS is right to them. To me there's no difference between an article/speech/quote sourced from FOX News/CNN/BBC or 'some website' they both have bias and can contain truth and lies. The only thing I suggest to people is don't just say 'that's impossible' or 'what a load of bollocks' you take all available information and then think about it, then when you have a viewpoint that you feel comfortable with you can start discussing things.
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Posted: 2006-03-20 16:35
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well when i say back up your so called facts with facts i mean using news web whatever as long as it s got credence.
to often in these types of threads people post there opinions as facts when opinions aint necessarly facts.
like i said before if people want to postan opinion make sure others know if your claiming facts support your facts with evidence and be prepared for your facts to be challenged if they are in accurate.
at the end of the day that should nt be to hard for people to get a grip of.in fact its the same few in most of these threads that seem to spoil it for the rest
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Posted: 2006-03-21 00:46
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I personally think it's good to have such threads just to see what everyone's opinion is on such matters. These threads to some may feel unwanted in a mobile phone forum but the mobile phone free zone needs to be filled up somehow.
tranquil
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Posted: 2006-03-21 17:54
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As I said, I'd preffer the Mobile Free Zone to be filled up with other topics than religious discussions, but I see no way out of the fact that they are here to stay.
My wish is though, be respetctfull to other members views on the matter and understand thet when we find that they have gone far enough they will be locked.
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