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joebmc
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To claim that Adam was a Muslim would be seen as a ridicules statement to any Christian or Jew, just as if Mohammad was claimed as Jewish or Christian.
So what slattery said is pretty true (imo)
(I can’t help but wonder if there is some hidden Islam v’s the West agenda in this post  )
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amnesia
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@slattery, Islam's key point is that whatever messages by God and the prophets are unchanged.
I have to correct you that it's not the view of the prophets in Islam that (which to you) seems distorted, but the way that people understand a reference to be.
For example, a quote could be "love thy neighbour" it could be understood as, make love to thy neighbour, take care of your neighbour, respect your neighbour and so on.
@scots, just because somebody doesn't want to indulge you in an arguement, it doesn't mean that they are wrong or that one side has won.
I for one don't reply to many posts depending on the person and I also know in my heart what is right and what is wrong.
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upper
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On 2006-03-13 17:59:33, joebmc wrote:
To claim that Adam was a Muslim would be seen as a ridicules statement to any Christian or Jew, just as if Mohammad was claimed as Jewish or Christian.
So what slattery said is pretty true (imo)
(I can’t help but wonder if there is some hidden Islam v’s the West agenda in this post )
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Let me be specific then. Muslim means Submission to ALLAH and thats what Prophet ADAM was a Muslim because he submitted to ALLAH at that time, but at that time ALLAH did not permit anyone to pray as it was its very early stages. The religion was being Updated each time Prophets came to this world, so the few people that was following at the time the Prophets Moses had to then follow Prophet Jesus when he came and they had to stop following the teaching of the Prophet Moses as it was invalid because now that they had Jesus and so on to the other Prophets too. ALLAH said there would be no more Prophets after Muhammad (SAW) hence that there is nothink after the teachings of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW), and ISLAM is the final, and there is no other religion that ALLAH will accept other than AL-ISLAM.  So the other teachings from the previous prophets example Moses and Jesus are canceld and will not be valid. If Jesus was on this earth now today he would also have to follow the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as he will not be on this earth as a Prophet (HENCE THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW IS THE LAST PROPHET) But as a leader to Lead the Muslims to Victory.
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slattery69
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On 2006-03-13 18:00:37, amnesia wrote:
@slattery, Islam's key point is that whatever messages by God and the prophets are unchanged.
I have to correct you that it's not the view of the prophets in Islam that (which to you) seems distorted, but the way that people understand a reference to be.
For example, a quote could be "love thy neighbour" it could be understood as, make love to thy neighbour, take care of your neighbour, respect your neighbour and so on.
@scots, just because somebody doesn't want to indulge you in an arguement, it doesn't mean that they are wrong or that one side has won.
I for one don't reply to many posts depending on the person and I also know in my heart what is right and what is wrong.
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yes sorry when i said distorted i did nt mean by the prohphet but by the people he delivered it to. yes islams msg is the same to all prohets but you can t claim islam started with adam as it did nt start till muhammad delivered it and it was left unaltered that been the point of my post.
it would be like me claiming id been in business ten years were as it was just 5 mins and i d spent ten years trying to set it up by failing to do so by forces out of my control, then when i fianlly succeded claiming it had been in existance for ten years |
whizkidd
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Ok My turn! 
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Yes what i said that galileo is always associated with the telescope,all he did was take work others had done and make improvements to it |
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Technically speaking, by using your very own logic, isnt't this what Al'Khwarizmi too did?
He just improvised and spruced up a "technology" or "knowledge" to a better level.
The important thing to note is; he might have not had the chance to do so, had the Indians and the Babylonians not discovered "zero" at all! Is there any algebra without zero?
Coming to Algebra, this is waht Wiki has to say..
The origins of algebra can be traced to the ancient Egyptians and Babylonians, who used an early type of algebra to solve linear, quadratic, and indeterminate equations more than 3,000 years ago. By contrast, most Indian and Greek mathematicians in the 1st millennium BC usually solved such equations by geometric methods, such as are described in Euclid's Elements.
The Greeks and Indians proceeded to write several treatises on algebraic means of solving equations during the 1st millennium AD. Three particularly well-known works on algebra from this general era include that of Hero of Alexandria, the Arithmetica of Diophantus, and the writings of the Indian mathematician Brahmagupta.
The word "algebra" is named after Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah meaning The book of summary concerning calculating by transposition and reduction, an 820 book by Persian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi. The word al-jabr means "reunion". Al-Khwarizmi is often considered as the "father of modern algebra" (though that title is also given to Diophantus), as much of his works on reduction are still in use today.
So there you go!
Al'Khwarizmi no doubt, is a great Mathematician, but the argument that he alone was the inventor of algebra stands on loose soil.
I'd agree if you mention he's the father of Modern Algebra. (But an equal status could be bestowed on Diophantus too!)
It is like playing down the invention of wheel and saying "The Wheel had to wait thousands of years until the engineers at Ferrari used the concept to tranform the world by creating Enzo".
You make Galileo look like a copy cat who just took credit for others' work.
The fact is, Galileo was the first person (in recorded history) to use the telescope as a telescope. True, the Arabs and the persians had "discovered" the technology as early as 10th century , but it was only during the time of galileo that the telescope was actaully used for astronomical purposes.
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Actually your wrong yet again,the concept of ZERO was invented by Al'Khwarizm .Al'Khwarizmi wrote on Hindu-Arabic numerals and was the first to use zero as a place holder in positional base notation. The word algorithm derives from his name. |
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On the contrary, it's you who is mistaken. Your statement in itself is a double edged sword. "Al'Khwarizmi was the first to use ZERO as a place holder in a positional based notation".....which actually means the concept of Zero was already known during his time!
Al Khwarizimi was the first person to use it on a positional based notation.
So I would agree if you say AlKhwarizimi is the father of "positional based notational system"
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Xugaa
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this seems quite interesting:
http://www.16pi2.com/ancient_technology_speculations.htm
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solidsingh
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im not having a dig or anything but does the religion of the inventor have any relevance at all to how amazing their inventions are?
Lets just be thankful that we've had all these amazing inventions by these intelligent people and lets not quibble about who invented what
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Sammy_boy
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very well said solid! i have to say all these religious type threada are getting a bit tedious, even for me!
and is threatening to drive a wedge between people with a common interest - mobile phones and se!
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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Posted: 2006-03-13 17:59
