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Help me people (wait for P990 or get k-jam?) |
Symbiatico
Joined: Mar 10, 2004
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It's never been about comparable feature sets with the P-series, otherwise, any Nokia s60 would win any features contest hands down!.
It's always been about the accessibility of these features.
It's HOW you do it that matters: Jog-Dial! | |
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upper
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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From: London UK
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On 2006-01-12 17:02:16, Mad_Bob wrote:
Finding it difficault to get used to, as in no jog dial which is a pain. Its also a bit slow. For features though, its cool, especially the Wifi.
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i though the windows media player was dead slow, but other than that, yes its cool, but whats is the use if the media functions are slow it should be fast like a ferrari, anyways thats my opinion. 
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Gabster
Joined: Mar 08, 2003
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I too have had all the P series, bought the Treo a few months ago (which I loved, best one handed device around....never pulled out the stylist)....i was debating about waiting for the P990 or getting the k-Jam....i bought the K-Jam 10 days ago, and to be honest, I love it...sure I miss some of the SE stuff that only SE can do well, but the keyboard, size and battery life is perfect...my P910i use to crash every so often as did my treo....the K-Jam has not crashed at all, syncing with outlook worked first time, although now I am using an exchange server, which is just amazing!....
I dont find the K-Jam slow at all either, I think you just have to make sure you install the correct software on it, I am sure some software with cause memory leakage or crashes, but so far, i have to say I am fully impressed with the K-Jam (this is also coming from a Mac lover!) |
Skrue
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Just a thought...on how you'd like to use it. id like to have a phone first then the pda second...i've seen that on the Pseries after owning the P800 and P900, then i tried the windows os based imate jam. i was having a hard time of getting used to it, though it worked out; however i missed the keypad for normal call or sms messaging and i experienced more crashes than the Pseries. the imate for me is a pda first then a phone second. i went back to  and got the P910i. now after selling the P910i for almost 4 months, i miss the touchscreen symbian os and will be getting the P990i when released  . |
wevek
Joined: Aug 14, 2003
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From: Mumbai, India...
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The K-jam is really slow & my mini was any day faster no doubt about that ! I think its WM5 which is laggy & 128 Ram is a must... 
I would love to see WM5 on a SE 
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upper
Joined: Apr 17, 2004
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From: London UK
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Man i was waiting to get the i-mate JAMin hoping that it will replace my i-mate k-jam, but just found out it has the same processor speed as the i-mate k-jam, so its no good in using it as a multimedia device department, man why are htc going backwards, this is redicolouse. it has everythink that the i-mate jam should of had but they just had to mess around with the CPU bit.
Description:
Class: Windows Mobile touchscreen communicator;
Form-factor: candy bar;
Rivals: O2 XDA Atom, E-Ten M600, and an indirect one is Sony Ericsson P990;
Body materials: anodized aluminum / plastic;
Position in the line: above HTC Magician;
OS: Windows Mobile 5.0 for Pocket PC ;
CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP850 200 MHz;
RAM: 47.46 MB available (not used for storing data);
ROM: 44.08 MB available to a user for storing data, installing programs;
Interfaces: SD/MMC supporting SDIO, IrDA (SIR), Bluetooth 2.0, USB for recharging/synchronization/use as a modem, Wi-Fi (IEEE802.11g, the I security standard is promised);
GSM 850/900/1800/1900, GPRS class B multi-slot class 10 , EDGE;
Screen: TFT 2.83" (43 x 57 μμ) with the resolution of 240x320 pixels, 65K, 4 backlighting levels;
Camera: 2 MP without a flash (the max resolution forms 1600x1200 pixels), records video (the max resolution is 176x144 pixels), manual macromode;
Battery: removable Li-Ion , 1200 mAh;
Dimensions: 108.8x59.3x18.4 mm;
Weight: 148
http://mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet-en.shtml
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myp800
Joined: Aug 21, 2003
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Hi all
Yep can agree with some of what has been said previously.
Had a p800 and a p910 the jog dial is great for dialing one handed, this proves a bit more complicated with the kjam/ xda mini s.
The xda mini s is SLOW and don't let anyone tell you different. (my humble opinion of course!!)
Setting up email on the P series never bothered but on the KJAM was real easy (well the hotmail is already there) and having MSN messenger is so cool, especially when you use it wifi and it's free!!
Kjam has more features but performance issues and the phone function becomes a bit fiddly to attempt one handed. I suppose it makes up by having a very good (and far superior) voice activated dialing. but when you have a lot a friends you got to remember loads of voice tags e.g x- mobile x work x home etc
I confess maybe i should have been patient and waited for the p990 and i'll be watching closely the reviews. However if SE had bought out wifi on the P910 instead of that keyboard thing, i wouldn't be writing this post
In summary in my eyes too little late, but feel free to ignore my opinion as it's just an opinion
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Mad_Bob
Joined: Dec 28, 2004
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Well it is slow, hoever I have prevented all the O2 crap loading by removing it from the startup folder and now the performance it much better. As for the media player, I dont use it, I use TCPMP which is freeware and plays everything, even all my smartmovie encoded videos.
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uiq
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
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wow!lots of information&logic there.would it be asking4too much if i asked you guys to help me decide the better1out of the p990i&the o2atom.
madbob,congratulations on your new purchase.
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why no p990i for australia?
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Mad_Bob
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Ohhh. tough one.
I am still going to get the P990 probably, just for the uiq interface, so my decision was based on what was around at the time... Im impatient. I don't regret the decision I made apart from not checking out the processor speed, although its quick enough. I can watch full films (originally encoded for my P910 and jumped at sceens) which run fluently and jump free.
As for the atom though, it doesn't have a keyboard which IMO is the only downside, other than that its top notch, but although I prefer the apps that are available for windows mobile, I still find the phone side of it very awkward.
So the question really is,
Do you want a PDA with Phone (Atom) or a Phone with PDA (P990)
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uiq
Joined: Jan 31, 2006
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i would prefer a phone with a pda...the p990i.
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flashgordonv
Joined: Feb 05, 2006
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From: Sydney, Australia
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Well, let me share my experience with you . I have had my K-Jam for about 2 months now. I've been down the path of doing ALL the mods and hacks discussed on the various WM5 forums and there area heap of them to make the device fully useable. I've stripped out the crap from the extended ROM, done the cache hacks, loaded it up with a few apps and found it not too stable. So over time I have hard reset it, and added app by app, testing after each installation to see whether the device is still stable. In fact I have now hard reset the thing ten times adn rebuilt it each time.
Here is what is really bugging me. I justified buying the K-Jam to myself on the basis I would be able to use it to get mail from the company VPN based mail system when I travel, which is quite frequently. So I get the unit, I set up the VPN client, I achieved initial success with getting company email once or twice and though all my troubles were over. I have a mobile device that gets VPN based mail reliably. How wrong can a man be!
The issue is this - unrealibility! The VPN connects sometimes, NEVER always, and I cannot predict when it is going to work and when it is not. There is NO rhyme nor reason as to why it will connect one day or at a certain hour and not the next. It is not the VPN, as I access this from my desktop PC everyday many times. The OS is just flaky. Sometimes it trys to connect using the VPN and sometime it does not. I cannot find a way to always make it attempt the connection via the VPN client, it has a mind of its own. When it DOES try to connect to the VPN, sometime it works and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it tells me the mail server address is incorrect, and then when I try again two or three times, it connects. Next time I try and it will not connect. Sometimes it tells me the VPN details are wrong, try again three or four times and it connects, I've changed nothing, nothing is different, just this time it will work. It is totally unpredictable and illogical and hellishly frustrating.
I've blown away the settings and re-entered them multiple times, both for the VPN and the email. I've hard reset and then just set up the VPN and email client. I've loaded the Profimail email client and configured it. It worked for 3 days ( I was ecstatic thinking the issue was the crappy Microsoft email software) and then it stopped working. I have not managed to get a VPN connection since on the K-Jam, and that was 4 days ago.
At the same time, I am finding that my applications will randomly lose their registration codes and need to be re-registered, and also the phone does random resets. I end up with SMS messages in my inbox from calls I have missed due to the phone resetting. I also find now that when I re-enter an email profile, after I turn off the phone at night or do a reset, the profile disappears. I am SO over setting up my email profiles. I guarantee I could do it in my sleep.
I have even severely limited the software I load after a hard reset - latest version is backup manager, mobibook reader,stock manager, small menu and total commander and that is it. Still no stability. Frankly I am sick of it and tired of not being able to use any software I choose that is supposed to be WM5 compatible.
Put all of that together and I find I have an inherently unreliable phone. After about 10 hard resets and literally hundreds of soft resets, I am left with a device which will not reliably perform the functions I want it to do and used to justify its purchase.
What is even more annoying is that each time you hard reset and start again, things work OK - for a while - and then they start to turn mushy and the device becomes unreliable again.
I have reluctantly gone back to using my Nokia 9300, (unfortunately I sold my P900) and what a pleasure it has been. The phone is reliable, the software is stable, the email setting stay in place. the GPRS works all the time. I don't need to soft reset it every day and it does not do resets when it feels like it. It does not support a VPN client, but then again neither does my K-Jam (at least not reliably). I really cannot afford to spend a couple of hours fixing the thing and re-setting it up on a regular basis and crossing my fingers and hoping the phone keeps on and working all day.
I am sure people will respond to the thread and tell me their experience is that this is a perfect phone and they never have a lick of trouble. Well, good for them, but that is sure as hell is not my experience. I have persevered with the damn thing, I have been ever hopeful that this time I have got the perfect stable setup, but it has never been stable long enough for me to be comfortable travelling without a backup phone. I am not sure whether it is a hardware thing or if it is just Microsoft releasing buggy unstable code, but either way I am absolutely pissed with it.
I have been playing with electronic organisers since 1990 (before the first Pocket PC came out), I have had PPCs, Palms, Psions, Sony P900s etc. The only device that caused me more grief that the K-Jam for reliability was the IPAQ 5450 - (which was the worst pig of a thing I have ever owned and was in my opinion HP should have had a class action against them for releasing for sale a device which they used their customers to take through alpha testing for them).
I'll continue to watch and see what happens with the K-Jam and note other people's experiences and I will probably load the new ROM if and when Imate ever get around to releasing it but until then it is going to be a paperweight on my desk. Shame really, the potential is enormous, but for me the experience is to frustrating and time consuming to justify using it on an ongoing basis, as it stands today. I need a phone that works reliably all the time and a PDA that is available when I need the data and the K-Jam does not give me that at the moment. |
Mad_Bob
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Thats a shame. I guess everybody has there own experiences with their own devices. My only gripe so far with the K-Jam is when I go back to the today screen, lock it , put it in standby then into my pocket, I will take it out after about an hour and some how the screen will be in landscape mode, or an app will be open or the phone function will be on or something and the phone will still be locked... not sure how that is possible.
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(sc)chronos
Joined: Feb 07, 2004
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From: tartarus
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k-jam's features are good, but p990 is classy, a p series is a p series they can't be compared. but i recommend you buy the k-jam.
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Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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From: UK
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Sorry if the obvious poit has been made, but the P990 is a 3G device the K-jam is not. Once you've used 3G for data and video calling you wouldn't want to go back to 2/2.5/2.75G systems. | |
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Posted: 2006-01-12 18:49
