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Visual communication like never before with the Sony Ericsson Satio |
synn
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The competition nowadays is really tough. I cannot even find any features of Satio that surpasses the offerings from other manufacturer.
Sometimes, superiority in paper specs does not translate well into sales. See: Innov8.
And sometimes, mediocre hardware wouldn't prevent a handset from becoming a phenomenon. See: iPhone.
This egg is quite some time away from being hatched. That's all I'm saying.
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rss_ndrsn
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Sometimes, superiority in paper specs does not translate well into sales. See: Innov8.
And sometimes, mediocre hardware wouldn't prevent a handset from becoming a phenomenon. See: iPhone.
I would re-phrase what you said about having high spec sheet and poor sales to "It is not enough for a mobile phone just to have a high end features in order to sell well; It has also to be 'unique'." If you remember, most of the iconic mobile phones are high -end. They are the N95 and 6600 which are unique in their own way.
First and foremost, Innov8 did not sell well because it is "boring." The only thing new about Innov8 was its camera. The rest of its features had already been introduced before by Nokia (GPS and VGA video recording resolution) and LG (Divx/xvid support and Slow motion video recording). Samsung seemed to forget to make it "special." They just crammed all the hot features back then and added 8 megapixel camera in Innov8.
About the Iphone,I disagree that it has a mediocre hardware. In fact, when it was released it had an unparalled GPU and CPU, and amazing capacitive touchscreen. It beat N95 and other phones back then, and even up to now (not in camera). Also, Iphone is successful because it is not just a phone with a high-end spec sheet. A mobile phone user would actually feel that Iphone is high-end upon using it; It offers a "unique" experience.
This egg is quite some time away from being hatched. That's all I'm saying.
If it is a chicken's egg, it will be a chick when it hatches; it is still a chicken. It will not be a duck or alligator or snake.
Considering the way they have been in the past, SE is not the type that would make big changes on their phones once they have announced it. Whatever Satio is now, that is pretty much what we can expect when it starts selling.
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synn
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First and foremost, Innov8 did not sell well because it is "boring." The only thing new about Innov8 was its camera.
By your own logic, the Satio is anything but boring. Because SE has apparently worked the UI out in a way that it's worlds away from Nokia and Samsung S60 phones. The USER EXPERIENCE would ultimately decide the Satio's fate, much like the iPhone like you said.
The truth is, all this cribbing about numbers would only last for a while and that too, on the net. If a handset delivers a great user experience, it WILL be a success. VGA/HD whatever video recording notwithstanding.
...and no one's quite ready to classify about what kinda egg this is, yet.  |
hgautam
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New Preview from GSM Arena:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_satio_idou-review-358.php
  
"At 111 x 54 x 15 mm the Sony Ericsson Satio fits comfortably in most pockets without causing too much of a bulge. It's about what you would expect of a 3.5" touchscreen handset and the extra girth around the camera lens is not much of a burden, given the 12 megapixel sensor."
"The plastic used on the Satio is obviously of very high quality and we've no reason to question the handset's looks and reliability. By the way, we can hardly imagine what a load the Satio would have been if it was made of steel or some other metal."
"The 3.5" 16M-color resistive touchscreen is undoubtedly one of the highlights of the device. It has stunning picture quality with incredible brightness and excellent contrast for a TFT unit. Images look impressively vibrant on it."
"We were certainly hoping for a 3.5mm standard jack and a microUSB for data and charging but to no avail.
At least the memory card slot is covered by a plastic lid so it won't fill up with dust and dirt. Plus, the Satio is yet another recent Sony Ericsson handset to move away from the Memory Stick Micro M2 storage. We really like the way Sony Ericsson are going recently."
"As we managed to confirm, the camera performance of the Satio is nothing short of impressive and the handset can fully replace a mid-range point-and-shoot digicam."
"Removing the battery cover reveals the 1000 mAh Li-Po BST-33 battery. The battery is able to power up the handset for almost two days with Bluetooth constantly turned on and email syncing at regular intervals."
"The handset feels perfectly in hand and, contrary to what you may've guessed, the thicker upper half of the handset doesn't upset balance and comfortable grip."
"The photo gallery is definitely among the best we've seen with great customization capabilities and features."
"Viewing photos is a joy with the Satio, especially when browsing images fullscreen."
"The Sony Ericsson Satio comes with the Walkman music player with all its extras and eye-candy."
"Strangely enough the Satio offered neither equalizers nor alternative visualizations. Those are however quite likely to appear in the final version of the handset."
"The video player on the Sony Ericsson Satio has pretty limited functionality compared to the one found on the company's features phones. It has neither slow-mo playback nor screenshot capabilities.
Our real grudge with the video player however is that there's no DivX and XviD support - what can we say, LG and Samsung handsets have definitely spoiled us.
When it comes to the watching experience itself, the Satio is nothing short of flawless. High resolution, excellent image quality and 16:9 aspect ratio make for a really nice video combo indeed."
"As we found out, the Satio manages to outperform the INNOV8, albeit by not such a wide margin. Satio managed to resolve more detail with pretty much similar noise levels while in all other aspects the two handsets were virtually on par. Considering the pre-release version of the Satio, this is quite an achievement."
"The quality of the videos is really great with almost unmatched amount of resolved detail, very good contrast and precise colors. While the HD capabilities of the Samsung Omnia HD still remain unsurpassed, the Satio is definitely among the top contenders for the world title in the VGA category (once they sort out the nagging framerate issue)."
Video Recording Sample:
http://pic.gsmarena.com/vv/re[....]-idou/camera/gsmarena_v001.mp4
"Web browser has full Flash support"
"Final words
Our brief experience with Sony Ericsson Satio left us happy and waiting for more of the same - we really hope to get a second glimpse of it for a more detailed review, once it hits the market. Our initial impressions are quite positive and competitors will have to do quite some efforts in order to compete with it.
However there are at least 4 months left until the Satio actually hits the shelves. For a dynamic market that may just be too long - the competitors have plenty of time to react accordingly. Samsung i8910 Omnia HD has already headed to a successful market launch and Samsung Pixon12 won't be too late either.
At this stage Sony Ericsson Satio is not a finished product and fixing all the little buggy bits may mean the difference between making or braking its success. Release timing is equally important and we hope Sony Ericsson don't let us down on that one as well.
The perspectives for Sony Ericsson Satio are more than good but Sony Ericsson better not waste their time as another failure might be fatal for the already troubled company."
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Luci'sPower
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really nice preview
and it's nice to see that the camera really performs well
really good quality
video qualtiy comparable with Lg renoir(wich haves the best vga) and this is really nice
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Very impressive. I love what they've done with the UI, it really makes a difference and seems far from boring.
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rss_ndrsn
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On 2009-06-05 09:47:44, synn wrote:
First and foremost, Innov8 did not sell well because it is "boring." The only thing new about Innov8 was its camera.
By your own logic, the Satio is anything but boring. Because SE has apparently worked the UI out in a way that it's worlds away from Nokia and Samsung S60 phones. The USER EXPERIENCE would ultimately decide the Satio's fate, much like the iPhone like you said.
The truth is, all this cribbing about numbers would only last for a while and that too, on the net. If a handset delivers a great user experience, it WILL be a success. VGA/HD whatever video recording notwithstanding.
...and no one's quite ready to classify about what kinda egg this is, yet.
I do not remember saying that Satio is a "boring" device. The point I was trying to make is that SE could have added more features to it like increase the video recording resolution to D1 at least, incorporate 3.5mm head jack on the device and increase the battery capacity, etc. Adding these features would help Satio to be ahead of the competition. With its current features, Satio is actually being surpassed in terms of features other than camera by Samsung OmniaHD and Pixon. What more if LG and Nokia announce their offerings? Considering it will be sold later than LG and Samsung's 12 megapixel phones, can Satio hold off the customers from buying other 12 megapixel phones?
About the numbers that only last for a while, I totally disagree. What comes to your mind if I say N95? What would you answer?
Satio's success or any phone does not depend "only" with its UI. Remember Moto Razr, would you agree it had a good user interface? The reason behind its success was its slim form factor style - its "UNIQUE," not because the UI delivered  . The "Unique Experience" I am talking about does not pertain to user interface alone but all of a phone's features working together to create something Unique. Since I gave the Iphone as an example, I will use it again. Do you think Iphone interface would run by just using the CPU of N95? Or how good the multi-touch would be if its LCD screen is resistive type? All of Iphone's features are essential in making that revolutionary touch user interface. How about Satio? What makes it standout from the competition?
Since Satio has not been released yet, it might it be too early to tell whether it would be a success or not. But I think, it will not sell good. When Satio starts to be sold, it will be nothing but an ordinary phone, which lacks common high-end features such as built-in 3.5mm jack, D1 or higher video recoding resolution and high battery capacity; because phones, with similar features and better than Satio in some ways, will have already been out in the market.
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synn
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The RAZR's "User experience" WAS the unique style, form factor and the cultural phenomenon it invoked. That's what I have been saying from the start. The UI is but one part of it. You assumed that it meant only the UI.
The RAZR in many ways, is a good example for showing how paper specs don't determine success. It had many compromises and you can wage a 20 page war on the internet based on it.
The end customers don't care.
The iPhone which you mentioned has several compromises too. It doesn't multitask, can't do things a $100 phone can do and bind you down to apps that Apple decide is good for you (Unless you jailbreak). Points every anti Apple rant bring up 20 times a day.
The end customers don't care.
See where I'm going with this?
You summed it up pretty well with this:
"Since Satio has not been released yet, it might it be too early to tell whether it would be a success or not. "
But then did a 180 and posted this:
"But I think, it will not sell good."
I respectfully disagree and will see you here in a few months to continue this discussion. Until then, there simply is no point. |
apolloa
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On 2009-06-06 02:22:07, rss_ndrsn wrote:
I do not remember saying that Satio is a "boring" device. The point I was trying to make is that SE could have added more features to it like increase the video recording resolution to D1 at least, incorporate 3.5mm head jack on the device and increase the battery capacity, etc. Adding these features would help Satio to be ahead of the competition. With its current features, Satio is actually being surpassed in terms of features other than camera by Samsung OmniaHD and Pixon. What more if LG and Nokia announce their offerings? Considering it will be sold later than LG and Samsung's 12 megapixel phones, can Satio hold off the customers from buying other 12 megapixel phones?
Sorry I couldn't disagree any more with more, look at the iPhone, it's factual proof that you do NOT need thousands of features to make a smart phone sell like hot cakes. I mean you can't even change the iPhones battery. And with your comment of battery capacity, we have no idea what it will be, sure it's 1000mah now but at launch who knows. And even if it was 1000mah GSM said it lasts very well, 2 day's solid with bluetooth on! I have a feeling Nokia will not launch a 12mpx camera phone.
The video recording is also already said to be up with the best VGA devices out there, it also as I understand uses a very good codec. If you want HD then good, seeing as there is ONE phone in the world that has that I couldn't care less and it also has no weight in your argument for keeping the phone ahead of it's competition as you would have to also include every other phone in the world that lacks HD video recording.
Satio is in absolutely NO way being surpassed by Samsung, again you come back to ONE phone in the entire world for your argument. It has the exact same OS as the Satio, a processor from the same family but I think it's less powerful? And it's MUCH bigger then the Satio.
You cannot include the Pixon in your argument as it's not in the same market, it's NOT a smart phone. If you incluse the Pixon then you must only compare it's camera which the Satio beats it hands down on anyway. |
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On top of all that the OmniaHD's "HD" video recording does AMR audio, it doesnt deserve the HD at the end,then again HTC TouchHD doesnt either.
AFAIK the processor in Satio is the same as the one in the OmniaHD which is the Texas Instruments OMAP ARM A8 Cortex OMAP3430 CPU with PowerVR SGX GPU, someone correct me if im wrong about the GPU, anyway Satio will be handle some very heavy media like high frame rate and high bit rate videos/movies with no problem, it should be able to do EVERYTHING the OmniaHD can except for the higher res video which im sure is a software limitation. Theres realy not much difference between the SE and the Sam, personaly id take the SE any day,its UI looks amazing and they have a great reputation for good batt life, and they pay lots of attention to detail which IMO SAMSUNG dont, their phones can seem a bit boring.
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chombos1
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from the sample Pics by Gsmarena... RED to PINK conversion is clearly visible on Satio's pics.
hope this will be addressed in the retail version.! (i realy doubt that)
i wonder how hard could the calibration of the sensor's color response be!!!  |
synn
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On 2009-06-06 14:04:00, chombos1 wrote:
from the sample Pics by Gsmarena... RED to PINK conversion is clearly visible on Satio's pics.
hope this will be addressed in the retail version.! (i realy doubt that)
i wonder how hard could the calibration of the sensor's color response be!!!
Color calibration is not a big hurdle. Pretty sure it would be solved by the time retail units are available. Even if not, it can be fixed in post by anyone with basic knowledge of image editing.
On the other hand, look at the detail resolved by the satio's sensor. Every single beam in the balcony railing is clearly seen, and that too with minimal purple fringing. The Innov8 image makes a mess of them. THAT, is seriously impressive and like GSMA said, puts it in the class of mid end digicams. |
chombos1
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yes... no word on picture's details... they are amazing...
BUT....
this RED to Pink problem was with SE since K850 (unfortunatly, only high-end cybershots suffer from it- and now this flagship handset)
the RED2PINK is on max in K850 and C902 (and probably C903)... i fixed it in my modded C902 camdriver... but driver editting is not an option when it comes to symbian.
i just hope it will be corrected in the retail version.
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ros-mari
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sorry again, but, I would like to know if the music department has got the CLear Audio thing as in my w980/W705???
Sorry if it has already been posted, i need to know wether waoiting for this is worth .
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NightBlade
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On 2009-06-06 16:02:20, ros-mari wrote:
sorry again, but, I would like to know if the music department has got the CLear Audio thing as in my w980/W705???
Sorry if it has already been posted, i need to know wether waoiting for this is worth .
Yes, it does.
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