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andrewlane
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W810:
20 MB memory + no MemoryStick included though sticks are supported
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max_wedge
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prom1 thanks for your support buddy 
@786KBR, okay I agree with one thing, EDGE will make a better fallback than GPRS, but it's still a fallback and you can only fallback on EDGE (as opposed to standard gsm) if your handset has both edge and 3G. When the 3G system starts to be replaced with something faster, 3G services wil become the new fallback and GSM will be dropped for good.
In Australia they are advertising fallback onto GSM only, no edge, so an EDGE phone would be quite useless in this market.
In some parts of the world EDGE will be run in tandem with 3G, but where 3G networks are being built from scratch (with no existing EDGE capable cell towers) they often won't offer EDGE fallback. I see what you mean now about hand in hand - but it's still important not to confuse the two. EDGE and 3G are completely different systems, even if sometimes they are used in tandem.
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JK
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On 2006-01-25 00:16:34, max_wedge wrote:
prom1 thanks for your support buddy
@786KBR, okay I agree with one thing, EDGE will make a better fallback than GPRS, but it's still a fallback and you can only fallback on EDGE (as opposed to standard gsm) if your handset has both edge and 3G. When the 3G system starts to be replaced with something faster, 3G services wil become the new fallback and GSM will be dropped for good.
In Australia they are advertising fallback onto GSM only, no edge, so an EDGE phone would be quite useless in this market.
In some parts of the world EDGE will be run in tandem with 3G, but where 3G networks are being built from scratch (with no existing EDGE capable cell towers) they often won't offer EDGE fallback. I see what you mean now about hand in hand - but it's still important not to confuse the two. EDGE and 3G are completely different systems, even if sometimes they are used in tandem.
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Ok so we getting somewhere! 
I dont think networks will get rid of GSM in the near future.... maybe 2030!
Theres already a few edge phones on the market in Aus, 6230i, couple Samsungs... and I bet one of your networks will support edge in the near future...  I assume more lower end mobiles will have edge...
Edge once again belongs to the GSM network... I doubt theres a network in the world thats running 3G with no GPRS networks...
So Max would you rather lose a 3g call when signals bad or have the default edge carrier to keep u connected?? Also maybe when browsing???
All Im saying when starting this topic is, when they released the W800/K750 they should have at least offered EDGE on them, coz every1 was after 3G, but edge would have been a better substitute...
Also what Iv noticed is all the countries that dont support EDGE have negative views toward EDGE.
Just imagine u had a W800 with EDGE and was in a country that supports edge... would be cool right, or at least better......
Anyway, I see  listened to me and have done what Iv asked for in the W810!! |
Supa_Fly
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On 2006-01-25 07:40:13, 786KBR wrote:
So Max would you rather lose a 3g call when signals bad or have the default edge carrier to keep u connected?? Also maybe when browsing???
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Hmm I know in markets & for wireless providers that have EDGE & 3G ... not to many in the world, btw, data can & quite possibly will fallback on EDGE from 3G; BUT I dont thinkg calls are routed through the same kind of HLR/VLR & subsystems. This is something new to me so I have no clue IF its EVEN possible???
W810i will be a nice phone, BUT I'm first going for the K750i ; then I'll go for the w810 |
JK
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Ok since its on topic, why would you choose the K750 over the W810... I know its not because of the looks! |
Draqula
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First of all. 3G will never be the carrier for voice calls, GSM will remain for that use, 3G is for data and video calls.
3G coverage is very expensive, so in the near future 3G will only be available in cities and on big highways, not everywhere. Providing EDGE coverage is much more cheaper and easier to provide, therefore when you are a true mobile user (need access to the net outside of big cities too) then EDGE is much more important. When you're in a city you are better off using Wifi anyway.
I live in Tallinn, Estonia, where every other coffeshop, restaurant, gas station, etc provides free wifi. As I have heard, in the rest of the world free wifi isn't that common, but even if you have to pay, you get better speeds compared to 3G. |
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BUFFBOY
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nice
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slass
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On 2006-01-25 07:58:44, Prom1 wrote:
Hmm I know in markets & for wireless providers that have EDGE & 3G ... not to many in the world, btw, data can & quite possibly will fallback on EDGE from 3G; BUT I dont thinkg calls are routed through the same kind of HLR/VLR & subsystems. This is something new to me so I have no clue IF its EVEN possible???
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Same Core Network is used in both UMTS and GSM. That is, same HLR/VLR's are used. (and of course also the rest of the core network, MSC, GSMC, IWF, EIR, AUC etc.
Handover for both voice calls and data is supported.
Draqula; UMTS indeed is a carrier for voice calls, not only data/Video calls. When You have 3G coverage, 3G net will be used for voice call, not GSM. |
SloopJohnB
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good reasons for choosing w800 over w810:
lack of cam shutter
only 20mb of int mem (no complex 3d games for you baby)
joystick(i know its fragile but its damn responsive and fast)
wierd round keys
good reasons for choosing w810 over w810
faster internet
better software
activity key
īsmartī keypad light
probably cheaper price (according to mobile-review.com)
i would still choose w800 because i dont need edge and i like playing games on my mob, but i guess these are the main topics |
Arne Anka
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On 2006-01-25 10:17:52, Draqula wrote:
First of all. 3G will never be the carrier for voice calls, GSM will remain for that use, 3G is for data and video calls.
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Concidering that an operator like Hi 3G can provide normal voice calls although they have no GSM network (just WCDMA), I say you are very wrong. It can be used both for voice, video and data.
An interesting point is the development of Evolved Edge (comercial start in 2007), which in the first stage will offer a theoretical speed upto 600 kbps (WCDMA 2 Mbps) and in a second stage a theoretical speed upto 2-4 Mbps (WCDMA-HSDPA 14 Mbps).
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max_wedge
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786KBR, the 3 networks here fallback onto GSM GPRS for data when the 3 network is not available, which is 48Kbps. I am aware of the EDGE handsets that are available here, but there ain't no EDGE network. Hopefully you are right and EDGE will be introduced here. Time will tell.
My guess is that it can go either way. However if 3G network coverage matures in the next year or so, then EDGE as a fallback network may not be seen as quite so necessary. There is a window of opportunity for EDGE to become popular but once 3G coverage is good then it is only a small percentage of the market (ie: rural areas) that will need the fallback to EDGE. Small markets like Australia don't cater to the needs of rural areas - there isn't enough profit in it.
Think about it like this - Because digital coverage was good when it came out and because of the technical complication no GSM phone had fallback to the analog network even though analog had better coverage than digital. The 3G data coverage however is really shite in most places, so there is a real drive to offer EDGE as a fallback, since EDGE can run on the existing gsm coverage area. But this drive will only last while GSM is significantly more widespread than 3G, and this scenario is quickly changing. Once 3G coverage is as good as GSM, the need for fallback becomes obsolete.
Operators are using two networks now for reliability but ultimately the network providers will want to have one fast and reliable network rather than a reliable slow network, and an unreliable fast network.
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MobileBear
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I have tried the W810i for like 1 minute. (I work in a shop, and one custumer who works for SE had one of these, a final prototype)
I could say it feels much "better" than my K750, because of a much sturdy, and a much more solid feel also. But the function didnīt impress me. Personly I donīt need EDGE or the 850 band. So I wait for the K750 succesor insted.
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max_wedge
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this is pretty much what I'm doing. Wait and see game.
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REO
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@MobileBear AND ALL OTHER SELFISH FOLKS
Good...If you don't like EDGE and don't need 850MHZ keep it to your self.
I'm tired of people like you who live in Europe and get all the best phones and then something rarely comes along that benefits the American market and I have to hear your arrogance. Mean while in the U.S. we get looked over by with phones such as the K750, W900, P990, ect......
For all you outside of the U.S. that can't be happy for us that need 850 or EDGE. STOP YOUR SELFISH WAYS !!!!!!!! YOU COME OFF AS ARROGANT FOOLS........
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