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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-30 07:39:28, aksd wrote:
There have been those that tried. THe N95 basically does everything. So does the E90 and the N82 dont see what you cant do with them that you can do with any other smartphone, push emails etc.....
I can do everything on my p910 too! 
The X1 is aspiring to do everything but it cant, everything includes multimedia and gaming. Everything includes a decent cam, trust me on this, the 3.2Mpx on the X1 will underperform inless SE throw in one of their modules(I know you will argue with me on this one, but the performance of any of the X1 pics I've seen till date look similar to the Pro, but maybe they'd do good in the end like the Omnia)
BengalBoy just posted new pics from his vacation and they look impressive. So does the video. I have a Sony Alpha 350 DSLR and a VX2100, so all camera phones look crappy compared to those
I think all of the X1 functions in the "real-world" will be sufficient. What I've seen so far looks, at-minimum, satisfactory. I'm eager to see the final panel lineup and third party panels that are being developed as well as the final hardware spec.
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What I meant is it does Business as well as multimedia.
I'm an amateur wildlife photographer and basically I understand what each product has to offer, I cant carry my EOS 40D(which also kicks your SOnys a***  ) with the 300mm prime lens in my pocket now can I? I enjoyed using a W800i becuase of the awesome cam for its portability.
The X1 in real world situations will be satisfactory to the maximum not the minimum trust me on that. But since usage patterns vary from person to person you might think its gods gift to man while I might actually feel what a useless piece of crap. My ideal device I'm sure is quite different from yours. And the X1 by the standards of late 2008(Oct-Nov is late 2008) and early 2009 would definately not be my idea of an ideal device or even close to it. Not just for the X1 but the Touch Pro as well.
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On 2008-07-30 08:08:11, aksd wrote:
...And the X1 by the standards of late 2008(Oct-Nov is late 2008) and early 2009 would definately not be my idea of an ideal device or even close to it. Not just for the X1 but the Touch Pro as well.
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The cam, and the video playback, it supports upto DI @ 30fps. Actually mostly its the cam(I'm going to need a decent portable cam for the next year) and the reduced size of the phone. I'm fed up carrying bricks, so it was between the Omnia and the iPhone. At least for the next 10months to the year. Should see some great stuff by then. They're not my idea of ideal devices, but they are however the best compromises  . I'm not looking for a keyboard type phone, have the TyTn II for that.
Oh yes, and another phone might enter the list in the coming days, the Nokia Touch, depending on the processor specs and the build quality I might consider that as well.
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Nasty Qualcomm processors. They sure blew it since all the major smartphone players might be looking elsewhere where the grass is greener after this disappointment. In fact, I might just skip the X1 and wait for the next P-series depending on what is offered at the next announcement
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On 2008-07-30 08:15:29, aksd wrote:
The cam, and the video playback, it supports upto DI @ 30fps. Actually mostly its the cam(I'm going to need a decent portable cam for the next year) and the reduced size of the phone. I'm fed up carrying bricks, so it was between the Omnia and the iPhone. At least for the next 10months to the year. Should see some great stuff by then. They're not my idea of ideal devices, but they are however the best compromises .
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I'm not too concerned with the UI if thats what you mean. As long as it has all the softwares I want. In the last year I've used/worked with over 6 different interfaces, so any UI suits me fine.
Considering the hardware feel, I like well built devices, no creaks, they irk me. Thats why the Omnia or iPhone choice .
Good hardware-software intergration is a must with efficent use of resources, my cellphone generally acts like a portable laptop , most of my emails and half my posts are from my TyTn II.
You have to remember to make a good experience you need good hardware. Look at the iPhone, the experience is supposed to be un paralleled, I'm curious to see what thats like thats why I was considering one. The X1 lacks in that department, WM is no big help either as the OS assumes that all 3D requirements are taken care of by software. I hope this changes in WM7, then more manufacturers will concentrate on hardware acceleration and you'd see some awesome products coming out. Basically the X1 is'nt an amazing device not through any fault of SE's but more of a combination of factors which limit the devices potential such as the processor of choice and WM. It might be sufficient for you though, coming from a P910 it should be an amazing experience. But it just does'nt do it for me.
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On 2008-07-30 08:29:52, aksd wrote:
...You have to remember to make a good experience you need good hardware. Look at the iPhone, the experience is supposed to be un paralleled, I'm curious to see what thats like thats why I was considering one.
The iPhone is sexy soon as you start using it. You don't have to let it grow on you. You will see why Apple has sent all the manufacturers back to the drawing board to make their iPhone clones 
I'm not an iPhone advocate, but, I give credit where it's due. I'm hoping Xperia comes close or gives us something unique in it's own right. |
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Xperia X1 = too little, too late (if ever). |
WhyBe
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Xperia X1 = too little, too late (if ever).
It's still and always has been on schedule. It'll be here with the TouchPro.
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What scares me is the lack of basic functionality like inability to transfer files via bluetooth and no copy and paste(use that quite a bit)
ANyway I still have time to decide.
I hope the X1 is a success as well, technology will move forward only when there is competition in the market. But looking at all the information available to us at the moment, its not going to have 1 million people queing up to buy it when it launches . Lets just hope it does what it was intended to do, give SE that much needed monetary boost and get the ball rolling for 2009-2010.
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On 2008-07-30 08:37:40, WhyBe wrote:
I'm not an iPhone advocate, but, I give credit where it's due. I'm hoping Xperia comes close or gives us something unique in it's own right.
I just don't understand why you're imagining either of those is true. This is a WM6.1 phone we're talking about, sure it's got a nice screen and a lick of paint in the form of the Panels, but at the end of the day it's not in the least bit "unique", and it's not in any way similar to the Iphone either, it's just a good WM phone, to go in the pile with the Omni, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro, and whatever else is waiting in the wings.
Seriously, if you want a good WM phone then by all means buy the X1, but if you're after something "more" than that then I've a feeling you're going to end up bitterly disappointed. If it's an Iphone you're really after, then buy an Iphone, it's the best at what it does.
For me, the X1 adds absolutely nothing to the Tytn II already in my pocket (I'm in the same position as Askd). I'm seriously considering the Iphone simply for the user experience; if I was happy with another Qualcomm powered WM phone I'd probably stick with what I've got.
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how does the samsung i900 fair in the benchmarking tests? |
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@WhyBe
There just isn't an all in one ultimate convergence device well not yet and i for one doubt there ever will be. The X1, Touch Pro etc etc are all primarily Business smart phones with some Multimedia abilities.
The closest any manufacturer has come to an all in one convergence device is Nokia with the E90 which is due to the OMAP 2420 processor and PowerVR MBX graphics chip of course along with it's 4" 800x 352 16 million colour screen. But the UI for both Music and Video is not as nice as in the N series neither is the Music player as loud as found in the N series. But then again first and foremost it's a Business device.
You keep on saying the Video's you have seen on the X1 looks good and the short clips do, but there is no way from just looking at them that you can tell if they are 30fps H.264 or not. Especially when you are watching a compressed for the Web video on a site. Maybe you misunderstand the increase in quality from H.263 to H.264 as really it's not that large when watching on a mobile device it's more to do with the file size and how smoothly it plays plus of course it's one more heavily used codec that it supports. But then on the E90 and even the X1 Video will need to recoded to fit the custom screen size. Both of those how ever are much better than 3gp quality is.
The E71 couldn't play over 15fps H.264 video and at this frame rate it was choppy but it played H.263 @23fps perfectly and on it's smaller 2.36" screen it was good. With no artifacts or stutter but it meant larger file sizes and is down to the processor and lack of graphic processing power. I would guess the Video on the X1 is in H.263 and the quality will be good in this format. But like the E71 i seriously doubt it will play H.264 @23-30fps smoothly as it just doesn't having the ability to do so not many devices do. As they need a powerful graphics processor to be able to handle it such as the PowerVR MBX, the real question is does the X1 really need to for most users? and i'd guess not. Again it doesn't make the X1 bad or rubbish it just means it's not the best as you like t claim it will be.
I really think a lot of your misunderstandings and perceived hate for the X1 are due to your failure to grasp basic concepts. As i really don't think anyone really hates the X1 or even thinks it will be bad or rubbish, those that disagree with you just don't see it as being revolutionary. As said by others and myself it may be as good or even slightly better than current WM but it doesn't really advance much on what we already have or is being released. It's Multimedia due to it's processor limitations will be average to good at best it won't and can't be brilliant or even class leading.
This is where you myself and others disagree as you see the X1 as just being brilliant in all it does and just so much better than anything else out there. Which is very different form it being a good device as most of us think it maybe and it doesn't mean we hate it just that are expectations are more realistic based on the hardware limitations it has. From our expectations we may be surprised at what it delivers form yours you are likely to be disappointed as it just can't live up to your expectations.
Also where someone says to little to late they are not saying it is late on being released from when it was meant to be. It is to late to be anything special in the market if SE had announced and released it within 3 months they would have had it first and led the market. Now by the time it arrives it is just not so amazing as others have devices already out there and newer better devices coming to soon. You see yet again you misunderstand what someone means and see it as a direct attack on SE and the X1 when it is just a comment on the market place. Eight to nine months in Mobiles is a very long time and to much happens to dilute an announced product by then.
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On 2008-07-30 12:08:00, mobman wrote:
how does the samsung i900 fair in the benchmarking tests?
It might not even run the benchmarking software as the software is used to test OpenGL on the phone. The i900 does'nt claim to have any 3D hardware acceleration. BUT the video playback is superior on the i900 as the intel processor supports video decoding upto DI @ 30fps. Although if you read reviews they mention the Diamond was better with Coreplayer, this is because coreplayer has not implemented support for the Monahans platform which the i900 is based on, but future versions will support it. The default player though will playback VGA@30fps H.264 flawlessly, theoretically even better than the OMAP2420 but I'm not so sure practically, and would not claim that is better without checking it out personally otherwise I'd end up with my foot in my mouth like awhile ago, right Dogmann?
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