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WhyBe
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That's all fine...but I still don't see any benchmark results. It says "No such device in database." 
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aksd
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PUCKOs not benchmarks sorry ananlysis was taken in March. Identical to the DIamond, therefore the performance should be similar. Actually if you see the Toshiba G810 , Diamond, TyTn II and the X1 the analysis is identical with similar performance from all of them, and the graphic performance is pathetic when compared to the N95 or the iPhone or even the stupid freesacle processor on the Nokia E51  . So even though the X1 has the 3D accelerator I doubt we'd see the performance many of us are looking at. THis of course is not a SE problem but one with the MSM7200 series processor.
BTW did you read the article on the Q1 release of the X1
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-29 19:24:36, aksd wrote:
BTW did you read the article on the Q1 release of the X1
Not very believable for the release date. Very few articles on the X1 get every little detail right. I don't think anyone has 100% solid info. I'm thinking it'll hit the U.S. in Sept/Oct and everywhere else in Nov. This is just based on a plethora of sources stating so. It makes no sense to release a high-end device in the U.S. after Christmas. I can't speak for other countries.
Who was the journalist they were talking about, Eldar? 
As far as that benchmarking data, I still haven't seen it. But if it was released in March, then it is pretty pointless anyway, isn't it? 
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aksd
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Yes he was talking about Eldar LOL!
We'll the benchmaking of the MSM7200 series processor in general looks terrible, not just the X1, so it really does'nt matter if it was in March or if it was today . Not upto what I expected. And the worst part is that LG, Toshiba, imate and HTC have similar results with the drivers implemented. The TYTnII earlier could'nt even run the benchmarking software, but now there are hacked drivers available and the results are similar to the above. Does'nt look good at all .
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-29 20:33:21, aksd wrote:
Yes he was talking about Eldar LOL!
We'll the benchmaking of the MSM7200 series processor in general looks terrible, not just the X1, so it really does'nt matter if it was in March or if it was today . Not upto what I expected. And the worst part is that LG, Toshiba, imate and HTC have similar results with the drivers implemented. The TYTnII earlier could'nt even run the benchmarking software, but now there are hacked drivers available and the results are similar to the above. Does'nt look good at all .
Well, as long as the phone works great, most probably don't care whats going on under the hood. |
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Most of us cares about that.
I'm willing to know if the Xperia, since is going to be build by HTC, is going to be as customizable as those Tytn and Hermes?
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aksd
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On 2008-07-29 22:31:48, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-07-29 20:33:21, aksd wrote:
Yes he was talking about Eldar LOL!
We'll the benchmaking of the MSM7200 series processor in general looks terrible, not just the X1, so it really does'nt matter if it was in March or if it was today . Not upto what I expected. And the worst part is that LG, Toshiba, imate and HTC have similar results with the drivers implemented. The TYTnII earlier could'nt even run the benchmarking software, but now there are hacked drivers available and the results are similar to the above. Does'nt look good at all .
Well, as long as the phone works great, most probably don't care whats going on under the hood.
We'll its not going to work great, its going to just about do the job. You definately wont have great gaming(not that many people game on their phones) and it should just about playback VGA videos @ 30fps depending on the encoding. It wont be as great as the OMAP 2420 solutions in the multimedia division. None of the current Qualcomms will actually.
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WhyBe
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So you're saying, Diamond, TouchPro and X1 are underpowered?
What applications do you propose it will underperform in? If it does 30fps video, then it is performing to spec. If the eye-candy/transitions work smoothly, then it is performing to spec. So what will cause it to buckle at the knees?
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aksd
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All Qualcomm solutions are underpowered at the moment.
You're not going to have the freedom of the Nokias in multimedia. THe N95 etc. would play most desktop DVDs, the X1/Pro/Diamond wont. On benchmarking the DIamond plays VGA videos(At 24 fps) anywhere between 85-120% depending on the video where > 100% would mean that its watchable. So basically playing a VGA video would depend on the codec, the kbps etc.
The animations wont be as fluid as the the iPhone though. SHould be usable jsut as the DIamond is usable.
Hardware wise the 2year old Nokias are still superior
But at the moment if you're out to buy a WM phone these are the only options you have so.............
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WhyBe
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So you're saying all of those videos showing smooth 30fps playback (even h.264 @ 30fps) were fake?
Or the X1's with the updated ROM's were not really as fast as we've seen?
Not familiar with all the Nokias, but, I've never been interested in them either...so they're doing something wrong right there ;( |
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Well have you seen proof that they were H.264 videos? What was the encoded Kbps? I'm making my conclusions based on using several(Diamond and TyTNII-not really considered though) phones on the Qualcomm processor and testing out the benchmarking results. There is a pattern and this is proof in enough that the limiting factor is hardware related and not to do with implementation.
The speed of the Panels etc can be judged only after the final product is released. The Samsung Omnia has no form of 3D acceleration but when you change orientation theres a smooth 3D animation of the screen re-orienting itself, thats software based. The Panels may not rely completely on the hardware but might have some nifty programming to overcome hardware limitations, dont you think this might be one of the reasons for a delay?
We'll 50% of the worlds mobile users would prove you wrong on that point, they'd say Nokia are doing something right . I personally do not like Nokias as their build qualities on their multimedia phones are crap. I dont like paying 500$+ and owning something that looks like a childs plastic plaything. But thats just me. That also does'nt mean that the Nokias are crap, where hardware is concerned they are unsurpassed, till date, except with maybe the Samsung INNOV8  . |
WhyBe
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I'm saying that if HTC chooses to repeatedly use these chipsets then they must be sufficient for what they need them to do. Perhaps there are superior chips on the market (than the Qualcomms), but, chips alone don't make great devices.
Don't forget, Nokia has the greatest range of phones and also dominates the low-end market. That's why they're #1...not necessarily due to technical superiority.
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aksd
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HTC did'nt consider the users while selecting the Qualcomm chipset, the huge uproar from the users is proof enough for that. By then it was too late to back out of using QUalcomm processors as the Diamond and Pro and X1 development would have been underway. Its not easy switching processor platforms, it takes months of testing. The next gen phones should be different though.
THe N95 has sold more than any other high end phone in the market. Thats proof enough that Nokia lead the multimedia segment. Show me one phone that is on the market that bests the N95/N82 in the multimedia category. You basically cant as there is none.
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WhyBe
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THe N95 has sold more than any other high end phone in the market. Thats proof enough that Nokia lead the multimedia segment. Show me one phone that is on the market that bests the N95/N82 in the multimedia category. You basically cant as there is none.
Are there any phones that have attempted to lead the multimedia category? Perhaps the reason N95 is the leader is because no one has tried to compete. I don't know.
I'm more into the "do-everything-pretty-good" type phones. Whereas, N95 throws it's weight strictly behind multimedia. |
aksd
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There have been those that tried. THe N95 basically does everything. So does the E90 and the N82 dont see what you cant do with them that you can do with any other smartphone, push emails etc.....
The X1 is aspiring to do everything but it cant, everything includes multimedia and gaming. Everything includes a decent cam, trust me on this, the 3.2Mpx on the X1 will underperform inless SE throw in one of their modules(I know you will argue with me on this one, but the performance of any of the X1 pics I've seen till date look similar to the Pro, but maybe they'd do good in the end like the Omnia)
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