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jasond
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Yeah, that icon represents the Activity Menu. I would be very suprised for this to activate the camera, as it has been written in reviews that the W810i features both a Walkman button and an Activity Menu.
Rockygali, I'm uncertain if you were being sarcastic or not? 
But the button on the side is indeed the shutter button, currently on the K750i/W800i this does nothing while the keypad is locked. What you are perhaps saying is that holding down the camera shutter could launch the camera (in a similar style to the Z520i?), or perhaps a combination of the Activity button and the shutter button? Hm?
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yes i guess im being sarcastic... anyway, i too hope that theres an alternative for the luvly protective camera thing watchammacalit of the K750.
its a very unique and powerful tool for a mobile phone to be armed with that ingenuity...
sorry mates!!!
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shaliron
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Just going to repeat what I've read from other forums:
The reason why there's no camera cover/protector is because this goes with SE's new policy of not giving Walkman phones covers for the cameras. It started with the W550/W600 and W900.
Basically the W series is always going to be the music orientated phones and the K series will be the camera/corporate type phones.
You won't find a high capacity memory card and quality headphones with a K series phone from now on. The same goes for W series phones. The will never get a lens cover because to put it simply, they're music phones.
So really there's no middle ground unless you try converting the software i.e. K750 to a W800.
And just to add.
I think that the exclusion of a joystick is a pretty good thing from SE. I mean many people have chosen not to buy an SE because of constant reports of joystick failures. It's not like SE has a good reputation for build quality.
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rockygali
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way to go shaliron! i second the motion...
eerr on latter part of the statement that is...
that joystick really throw away people from buying  phones but with the introduction of a new 5way middle key.. hehehe clever.. very clever... we do all hope that we'll see the last of those loose joysticks weve been cranking about.
hhmmm still wondering how sturdy the casing is... hhmmm built like a tank... built like a tank.... very interesting.. i really wanna get one....
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On 2006-01-18 09:06:41, jasond wrote:
Yeah, that icon represents the Activity Menu. I would be very suprised for this to activate the camera, as it has been written in reviews that the W810i features both a Walkman button and an Activity Menu.
Rockygali, I'm uncertain if you were being sarcastic or not?
But the button on the side is indeed the shutter button, currently on the K750i/W800i this does nothing while the keypad is locked. What you are perhaps saying is that holding down the camera shutter could launch the camera (in a similar style to the Z520i?), or perhaps a combination of the Activity button and the shutter button? Hm?
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On both W550 and W900, if you hold the camera shutter button on the right side of the phone for about 1 second, it will activate the camera application, whether the phone key lock is on or off. |
jasond
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Wicked.
Wonder how that would go as far as accidental photos of the inside of our pockets? If it prevents case creaks then I think that's a good thing. But to agree with shaliron - I think upgrading the software of the new K series phone to the W810i might be a good option!
And moving away from the joystick is a good move indeed, indeed!
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| On both W550 and W900, if you hold the camera shutter button on the right side of the phone for about 1 second, it will activate the camera application, whether the phone key lock is on or off.
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What firmware is that on? My R5AC011 W900i doesn't activate the camera with the lock on, and nor does it on my R4A W550i.
However, I am sure the first K750i I ever looked at (when it had most of the features of the W800i included like flight mode) let you do it. Maybe SE have removed it?
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max_wedge
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786BKR you are very wrong. EDGE and 3G DO NOT work hand in hand. You are thinking of 3G and GPRS. GPRS can run on 3G as well as GSM services. However EDGE runs on GSM NOT 3G. Sorry buddy.
EDGE is a slower competitor of 3G. So the EDGE phones cannot run on 3G and 3G phones cannot run on EDGE networks, simple as that. Nothing hand in hand about it.
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kristianm
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On 2006-01-18 11:06:09, jmcomms wrote:
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What firmware is that on? My R5AC011 W900i doesn't activate the camera with the lock on, and nor does it on my R4A W550i.
However, I am sure the first K750i I ever looked at (when it had most of the features of the W800i included like flight mode) let you do it. Maybe SE have removed it?
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Sorry I was wrong. I thought it works the same way as the Walkman button (which can be activated even when keylocked, provided the HPM-x0 is connected). |
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On 2006-01-18 10:30:17, kristianm wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 09:06:41, jasond wrote:
Yeah, that icon represents the Activity Menu. I would be very suprised for this to activate the camera, as it has been written in reviews that the W810i features both a Walkman button and an Activity Menu.
Rockygali, I'm uncertain if you were being sarcastic or not?
But the button on the side is indeed the shutter button, currently on the K750i/W800i this does nothing while the keypad is locked. What you are perhaps saying is that holding down the camera shutter could launch the camera (in a similar style to the Z520i?), or perhaps a combination of the Activity button and the shutter button? Hm?
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On both W550 and W900, if you hold the camera shutter button on the right side of the phone for about 1 second, it will activate the camera application, whether the phone key lock is on or off.
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That virtually solves the lack of active lense issue for me. Though I'd ideally still prefer the active lense cover...
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blackspot
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Maybe SE wants to minimize moving parts on this model. They're usually the source of problems in long term usage.
I still think they should place a lens cover even if it's not active.
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On 2006-01-19 02:43:56, max_wedge wrote:
786BKR you are very wrong. EDGE and 3G DO NOT work hand in hand. You are thinking of 3G and GPRS. GPRS can run on 3G as well as GSM services. However EDGE runs on GSM NOT 3G. Sorry buddy.
EDGE is a slower competitor of 3G. So the EDGE phones cannot run on 3G and 3G phones cannot run on EDGE networks, simple as that. Nothing hand in hand about it.
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OK max you not stupid just confused 
EDGE is superfast GPRS... so therfore Im right!!! U figure it out...
EDGE is not a competitor to 3G... although you not the only one to think like this...
You are right about 3G phones not running on EDGE networks but the newer 3g phones will support both!!!
eg: 6680! against a std 3G phone... drop the 3g signal when browsing would u rather have std GPRS or EDGE as your default browser??? |
optiplex
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The debate between max_wedge and 786KBR made me interested in 3G and EDGE technologies and thought that I’d get to the bottom of this and find out who was right. Unfortunately I ended up just as confused about it as you two  . Anyways I did find some information and to my understanding it is like this:
3G is a standard or a specification that mainly deals about the quality of the network and it’s services (like the data rates it should maintain and services it should provide like video conferencing etc.. for a technology to be recognized as 3G), while EDGE is a specific implementation for high speed data transmission.
EDGE is not technically considered as a 3G technology but as 2.75G; however some variations of EDGE implementation has features and data rates compatible with 3G standard so it is marketed by some service providers as 3G.
Wikipedia lists EDGE under 2.75G. 3G is listed to have 3 main standards/ implementations known as WCDMA, CDMA2000 and TD-SCDMA.
From what I gathered it seems to me that EDGE is a cheap extension to GSM networks to provide 3G like services without major revamping.
Did I add more confusion to the matter ?? BTW correct me if I’m wrong.
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WRONG Again ... from the GSM governing body of standards many months ago EDGE was granted a 3G certification license listing of such; BUT Max is INDEED correct that its NOT officially considered 3G by phone manufacturers or networks.
The speeds tell it all.
Now EDGE based phones ALONG with a 3G network that ALSO SUPPORTS EDGE WILL allow data browsing to SEEMLESSLY throttle down to EDGE speeds ... as a QoS (Quality of Service).
BUT Make NO MISTAKE in THINKING that a GSM/GPRS/3G alone network will support you GSM/GPRS/EDGE only phone and give you 3G speeds you'll ONLY GET GPRS!
Same for a GSM/GPRS/3G phone in a GSM/GPRS/EDGE ONLY network ... you NOT gonna see EDGE speeds!
Do a google search ... search these threads .... heck do a search on Esato with Max_Wedge & 3G/EDGE and you'll very much find that after 20+ pages of debate, wimsickle headaches & incredible insight ..... DO NOT argue with Max what EDGE/3G IS! You can challenge him on whether or not EDGE has a purpose .... but dont, EVERY angle of any possible debate on that has been covered ... more than thrice, lol.
Cheers Max; thanks for informing him.
PS: sorry I dont have a link on EDGE being designated a 3G technology but I do remember reading it from a GSM technology brief; most likely due to lab testing of theoretical highspeed of EDGE class 11 (yes it exists; usually we only see class 10 in phones only 1 has class 11 its a Nokia S60 phone that ISNT yet released ... N80). |
slass
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It's not really important to classify EDGE by it's speed.
A 486 isn't a Pentium just because it is overclocked, is it?
EDGE is an enhancement of GPRS, in fact only difference is the bitcoding, an algorithm.
EDGE should belong to 2G as it is just a small modification of GPRS.
But, in fact, EDGE is a standard from IMT-2000, from ITU. IMT-2000 is the 3G standard!
With EDGE, (or UWC-136, it's "real" name) there is also W-CDMA (UMTS, also include japanese FOMA), CDMA2000, TD-CDMA, TD-SCDMA and DECT.
That makes it possible to say that you have your own 3G base station / 3G net at home, (if You have a wireless DECT phone).
Not many people do that... |
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