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Humble
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It was just a matter of time. Now since mali-200 has gone fully compliant, Many companies wont have to wait on the bottle neck of conformities in licensing when adopting this platform
regarding the utilisation of opengle ES2.0 in the arm graphical subset, Now the ball will start rolling strong
http://www.design-reuse.com/n[....]hronos-opengl-es-2-0-hdtv.html
As you are well aware the Mali-200 is geared favourably towards the smartphone sector
Subtle changes like this make a big impact in time to market, on the next gen
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WhyBe
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Boy, this rumour and haterism sprouts like weeds around here. 
What is the fate of the Touch Pro since it is essentially the same as the Xperia and hasn't been released yet?
Are they both doomed for failure (X1 & Touch Pro). Or are they both going to be competing top-of-the-line phones until the "better" platforms and phones mentioned actually materialize 6 months from now?
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anonymuser
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On 2008-07-21 10:16:03, WhyBe wrote:
Boy, this rumour and haterism sprouts like weeds around here.
What is the fate of the Touch Pro since it is essentially the same as the Xperia and hasn't been released yet?
Are they both doomed for failure (X1 & Touch Pro). Or are they both going to be competing top-of-the-line phones until the "better" platforms and phones mentioned actually materialize 6 months from now?
The Touch Pro is just one of a range of capable smartphones by HTC, a revision on the Diamond already released. It's a professional device, but not slavishly "high end" and is likely to be quite attainable as a contract phone and general business workhorse - they haven't tried to plaster it in chrome and suggest it's some kind of super premium device for the uber-rich.
Both the Diamond and the Pro are simply evolutions of their existing handsets (like the Touch and Tytn II) and will be joined in time by various other handsets built around the same and similar WM platforms, and of course by the range of Android devices that HTC have already announced, since they have long since seen the value in diversifying across the smartphone market.
For SE, on the other hand, the X1 is the only basket for their smartphone eggs. Several months after it was announced, it's still the only serious smartphone they've announced any plans of releasing, and it still isn't in the shops. All the indications from the networks are that the Touch Pro will be released first, probably in August, with guesstimates for the X1 ranging from anytime between October and Christmas (for comparison, HTC's first Android phone may well be out in time for Christmas).
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
What in the world is "haterism" as i can't find a definition in any dictionary or is that a word you have just invented?
There isn't any hate for the X1 in fact far from it most people were excited by the prospect of it. But there isn't also just blind faith in SE and that the X1 is going to deliver the best user experience ever either that's called being realistic.
Now if the latest rumors turn out to be accurate and the X1 doesn't launch till December and then only in some markets along with the fact that the software won't be finalised and stable until a couple of months later. That will be a disaster for SE and the X1 or can you just not see that?
No one is going to be happy buying a premium device that needs firmware and won't be stable for a couple of months. Quite simply they will return them and buy something else. Except of course and maybe you and a few others who will just live with it to have an SE.
The reason people's enthusiasm has waned is initially it was reported to launch in the 2nd half of the Year which could of meant as early as June. Which was just 4 months from announcement and at that time it spec's seemed great. This then went out to September which was slightly disappointing but if the X1 launched with all it's features and stable it would of still been fine, if maybe slightly less exciting.
Now if the latest rumors are true and SE know it will launch in December but won't have stable firmware till a couple of months later. That's a disaster most people buy smart phones to work with not look at and there not going to spend that kind of money on a work in progress. They will either buy something that does the job earlier or by Feb-March next year wait a little longer for a better device with newer spec's. SE's and the X1's window of opportunity will have passed of being a big seller with all but some SE fans. Sad but true that's how it works now if you can't see that what can i say.
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann
Haterism is hiphop slang. Not a real word but easily understandable 
What page of the dictionary do I find relaistic on.
Just kidding.
I can understand some of the points you guys make, but I don't quite agree with the sentiment. By Touch Pro and X1 being spec-leaders, I don't see why any company would cannibalize it's own high-end product by releasing something superior so soon. I can see something being introduced that is newer and different, but not newer and superior. IOW, the high-end device has to run it's course in the market. Only it's failure (sales wise) would cause it to be replaced so soon. As far as the X1, I see it being a popular device for it's niche group of buyers and it still being in high-demand/high-anticipation. Only die-hard smartphone enthusiasts (you guys, the minority) seem to be soured by 
Also, the Touch Pro looks to be similar in price to the X1. Because of the TouchPro frequencies, it appears that it wouldn't be a viable product for AT&T in the U.S. Maybe it'll work better geographically with T-Mobile?
For me, I still think the X1/TouchPro is still top option among smartphones. If a phone that is better spec'd is released at the same time as those 2, then I'll be all over it. So far, that hasn't happened. So these are the only players in town. |
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The point is, when you keep on about "high-end" and draw comparisons to HTC's equivalent "high-end" product in the Touch Pro, you're missing the point that pretty much all HTC's products are relatively "high-end" - they're all feature-packed, market leading, Windows Mobile handsets (soon to be joined by an Android range for good measure). They don't make anything else.
If the Touch Pro misfires in some way, then not to worry, they've already got the popular Diamond out there already making most of the Pro's R&D pay anyway, along with a bunch of other good handsets, together with an all new Android phone to create some buzz later in the year. More to the point, you can bet the networks will have all bought and branded a few million Touch Pro's in advance anyway.
You have to remember, the Touch Pro is nothing new for HTC - it's simply the natural successor to the Tytn II, which sold by the bucketload through networks as the T-Mobile Vario 3, O2 XDA Stellar, Vodafone V1615, Orange Tytn II, AT&T Tilt, the list goes on. The Touch Pro will join the same ranks as the Vario 4 etc etc, plus or minus a few networks due to it's band differences. HTC are tried and trusted by the networks and anyone else looking to rebrand a good WM phone to sell to business, so they've no worries there.
The "X1", by comparison, is all about the marketing. In reality, all SE are selling in the X1 is a slight variation on the Touch Pro, which is itself only a small step forward in terms of the overall Windows Mobile market. What they're hoping is that general consumers can be persuaded - like you have been - that the X1 is more superduper "premium" and special than the near-identical competition, on the strength of the SE name and all that shiny chrome. If they pull it off, then fair play to them, but the more time goes on and the smartphone market moves along with it, the more of a struggle they're bound to have.
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Lets be realistic. If its launching by this December, this product is D.O.A. It won't be hype anymore but its just another product. Thats all. HTC pretty much will be on track with their touch pro but what worries me is the SE. HTC has their own band of loyal followers and I'm sure HTC owners would hardly consider buying X1. No point for HTC to worry about X1. In fact, the X1 may even make inroads for HTC once people are familiarize with Windows Mobile. We can say all the functions, these and that but until most of us are given the options to use any of the options we would never know how much we could use it. Right now I can't even make myself buy HTC but SE X1 seems cool, if you know what I mean. |
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Hi all,
It seems '3' are launching the 'X1 XPERIA' this November! Don't know why they mention 'S60' here lol!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/tech[....]a-x1-from-3-in-no-e870a33.html
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p85w
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Damn what I hate articles that doesn't refers to any sources.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-21 21:14:33, Sony α wrote:
Hi all,
It seems '3' are launching the 'X1 XPERIA' this November! Don't know why they mention 'S60' here lol!
Doesn't seem too reliable. Facts aren't correct and no source is given. |
cremz
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It better not be accurate! Does SE have any freaking idea that it is bad business to actually announcing it on Feb and releasing it on November? |
WhyBe
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When is the confirmed release date for the Touch Pro in the U.S.?...abroad? I think comparison of actual release dates of these devices is in order.
Also, are there any confirmed release dates for the "better/newer" upcoming Snapdragon/NVidia/U500 based phones (not MIDs)? |
Dogmann
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@WhyBe
It looks like the Touch Pro could be from the 4th August going by Expansys @£524.95 at this link
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=169424
but I'm not really looking for one so don't know for sure.
The thing is most companies don't announce products so early before shipping like SE did with the X1 they have much shorter lead times from announcement to being available as that maintains the users interest.
Look how excited most where when the X1 was announced and now look how bored so many are and you will understand why. To much has happened between announcement and expected launch to keep the X1 fresh and exciting. Look at how quickly the Diamond launched after being announced and even the Touch Pro was announced after the Diamond and way after the X1 but will arrive first.
There really is very little point announcing a class leading product but not releasing it until 9 months plus later as by then it just isn't any longer class leading or interesting.
I really have no idea why or how SE are having so much trouble with the X1 especially from what BengleBoy reports. But they really need to make sure it is stable and get it out as fast as they can to stand any chance of it being a success.
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marty mcfly
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http://www.play.com/Mobiles/M[....]/Product.html?searchtype=genre
Play.com have it for pre-order now, yours for only £599.99! Due for release on 30/10/2008
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micks2005
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Hi there,
Just to let you all know that the X1 will be released in the 1st week of September globally.
Then it will be upto the respective operators in your country when they would launch it.
Cheers ...
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