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AbuBasim
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On 2008-03-10 15:18:04, Amras wrote:
No, the jeep wasn't red. It's maroon -> dark brownish to purplish red. So it isn't red, nor purple.
The color in the pic is not purple, AbuBasim. In my monitor, the pic shows maroon. And the jeep was maroon as well. The pics show more purple tone anyway, but not so different from the original color since the jeep wasn't red either (the jeep's color is far from the red in the Red Sirion posted above).
Would it been something like this? Some quick adjustments with the hue map tool in PSP, the same I tried once on one of plankgatan's many McDonalds photos:
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plankgatan
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he he he...this 3 pics is extremely sharp.
what i can see, there is no cell phone who can produce better then this.
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thanks plank...the sun was in the back ....really helped |
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By pperfectt, shot with K850i at 2008-03-10
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Amras
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On 2008-03-10 17:55:16, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2008-03-10 15:18:04, Amras wrote:
No, the jeep wasn't red. It's maroon -> dark brownish to purplish red. So it isn't red, nor purple.
The color in the pic is not purple, AbuBasim. In my monitor, the pic shows maroon. And the jeep was maroon as well. The pics show more purple tone anyway, but not so different from the original color since the jeep wasn't red either (the jeep's color is far from the red in the Red Sirion posted above).
Would it been something like this? Some quick adjustments with the hue map tool in PSP, the same I tried once on one of plankgatan's many McDonalds photos:
It's ABSOLUTELY not like that. And I'm 100000% sure! 
I told you it's maroon. Not orange, nor red. The car color is not that bright. It's not bright red/orange or any bright color, it's rather dark red, or else I say it "maroon".
It's really, really awkward for me to see the jeep in orange like that - you know - coz it's not.
And I can prove you that the color you edited is wrong. Look at the "stop" sign in the middle of the lot. Your retouches make it become reddish orange. In fact, it's pinkish red, coz the painted flower design below the sign is supposed to be sweet and lovely as the concept of the mall (where the parking lot is where) should be. Look at the pic below.
Taken with K770, see the bottom left. Look at the sign. It's not orange at all. It's pinkish red. Look at the red color on the sign pic, then compare the red with the rest of the red colors on the top left/top right/bottom right pics.
The bottom left, the red color is paler isn't it? Why? Doesn't K770 always produce the best red? Why then the red color in the sign look paler compared to the rest in the pics? Coz it in fact is pinkish. Not red. So in this case, K770 isn't wrong. So is K850 in the picture I posted earlier.
The sign is pinkish red, not orange nor red nor reddish orange nor orangish red.
(BTW.. The sign is not exactly the same sign, but I assure you the mall only use two color: green and red. The green is light/fresh, but still got pastel feel. The red is pinkish, soft and sweet.)
Please consider that k770 pic above was taken when the weather is sunny in around January or so (in Indonesia it was sunny), and the k850 pic was taken yesterday, after some raining and when the sky is cloudy, make the pinkish red more "off" than when it's sunny.
If you don't believe me, just look at my post at K850/K810 sensor. You can see that K850 color reproduction is close to the one reproduced by my Canon digital camera.
I really don't mind to explain you anything. And after some experience, we all know that those cam phones doesn't reproduce 100% true color. Even K770 who came with a very great detailed and color reproduction in daylight time, it sometimes produces yellowish things. And many2 more (not only K770, also K750, K810, N82 etc etc). I admit that K850 red color reproduction isn't as good as K770's (for example) coz it simply IS not as good, but the difference is not that much either (in my case). For sure, not as much "as maroon to reddish orange".
So changing the color of the car that much? Is that really necessary? Really it's very awkward for me to see that Jeep become something that is really different to what it really is, AbuHasim. 
I'm quite practical person and I'm here just to stand out my opinion only (which is coincidently sometimes similar with others' opinions). If the K850 produces worse red color, I just say it, YES it does produces worse red color than K770 (even than K750, I agree).
Why I said that? Coz I own both phones (and have owned K750, K800 etc etc) so I know. But how much different are they? I can say, not much. And aware that sometimes K850 takes washed out red color while sometimes K770 also takes very yellowish/orangish red color, so to speak wise, it's somewhat like a tie - in general speaking.
I have put some respect on you since the earlier K770 vs K810 thread coz I know that most of your words were true, and I agreed what you said on the topic. So when I explained this car color thing, I thought you would understand what I meant by "maroon". Really.. it's not any bright color, is dark. Dark red or should I say (again) "maroon = dark brownish to purplish red".
If there's any lack of tone, it's not yellowish tone (if you add yellow, the color will become orangish red/reddish orange, not darkish red). So if there's any lack of the tone, it will be the lack of brown tone. If you add slightly brown tone on the car color, I think it would be just perfect. But remember, the car color is rather dark, not as bright as you think.
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I think this picture perfectly describes the problem what most people have with the K850's image taking abilities. The colors always come out too cool, leaving the image looking somewhat lifeless. And it skews the colors in such a strange way that I can't even fix the colors using outside photo editing software.
Perhaps some of you can get around this problem by not using the auto mode and tinkering with the settings. But since most people take pics using auto, this is a disappointment. And since other SE phones like the K750/W800 line, as well as the K770/T650 also take great colors on auto, you'd think SE's flagship "cybershot" line would be able to. |
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plankgatan
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sure the saturation is little thin, but hey, all phones have (more or less) that. i use my settings/profiles/EV and nearly allways i get good colors.... so you can get thicker colors quite easy.
ps... think this pic still looks ok. use cloudy or daylight and stay away from direct sun-attacks... he he
pss. even k750, T650, K770 produce very very often bleached colors, so k850 is no exception
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Radiux399
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On 2008-03-11 01:31:13, plankgatan wrote:
sure the saturation is little thin, but hey, all phones have (more or less) that. i use my settings/profiles/EV and nearly allways i get good colors.... so you can get thicker colors quite easy.
ps... think this pic still looks ok. use cloudy or daylight and stay away from direct sun-attacks... he he
pss. even k750, T650, K770 produce very very often bleached colors, so k850 is no exception
I've taken several dozen pics with my T650i, and i've yet to find that it takes pictures with bleached colors. Blurry? Some. But never bleached.
And the problem isn't that the K850 has a lack of colors. But rather, the colors are just "wrong". I can't really describe it any better than that. But I think this comparison shot between the K850 and the N82 sums it up nicely.
N82
K850
The N82 might not be necessarily 100% true to life with its color representation, but I don't think anyone here can say that the K850's shot looks more attractive.
Anyway, I think the biggest disappointment with the K850 was that people were expecting it to be able to take similar quality pictures to another 5mp cam-phone that also happens to use a Sony sensor: the Imobile 902. Unfortunately, the 902 still happens to take much better shots in all aspects. |
plankgatan
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we could go on about this mather forever.
i can show you hundreds of blurry/crappy N82 pics
i can show you hundreds of blurry/crappy K850 pics...and so on and so on
but i can tell you one thing about N82... it stop produce good pictures as soon the sun goes away. it realy needs good sunshine to get this sharpness, which i mean is quite bad. a decent camera "should" be able to produce in all environments.
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