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MNX1024
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@-XYZ A camera module includes the OIS if there is one as it's part of the entire module. If they do include OIS and want a smaller module, then sensor or len sizes will be reduced. | |
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ascariss
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On 2015-06-10 22:07:46, -XYZ wrote:
On 2015-06-10 21:03:56, ascariss wrote:
On 2015-06-10 19:04:19, MNX1024 wrote:
planning to reduce thickness of the camera module even further. Good chance sensor size won't be increasing, possibly decreasing. I'm not liking the sound of this. :
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/ast/201506090029.aspx
[ This Message was edited by: MNX1024 on 2015-06-10 18:06 ]
This is not good, if the module is decreased fine, but the sensor size has to stay 1/2.4 at least, I doubt we will get OIS if the module is too thin, because there won't be space for it. We'll see, so far nothing has leaked but we know there are more models coming, so soon, hopefully soon some brave soul leaks something.
A thinner module would make having OIS easier.....More space to put the mechanism......
Depends what is included in that module, if the module is just sensor and lenses then sure, more space for the mechanism, but if the module is the entire sensor package, ie the making its dimensions smaller, then I fear OIS might be sacrificed.
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pmugghc
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More on the Z4 heating problems in Japan:
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-of-overheating-issues_id70324 |
Xajel
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Sony already has it's reputation of prioritising signature design features over technical features, we have Xperia arc as a good example for this, they removed the front camera and the official reason was to make it as slim as possible...
This thing while it's good ( having their own standards for quality ), but affecting features and performance in negative way is not a good thing, I think if Sony went for a survey for customers needs they will be shocked by how far they've gone for this ( slim design )
While Slimness is good, sleek and sexy, it won't be so if other features are missing or sacrificed, battery life, camera quality, newer technologies ( like Type-C and wireless charging ), camera technology... even Apple went for a bump in the camera module just because they see that camera is better than having perfectly symmetrical design...
But, from my perspective, I like adding 1mm to the whole design more than having this bump, not to mention the ability to have larger battery and stronger body... slim is sexy, but other features are better than having exceptionally slim design... 7-8mm is good enough for most people I think without sacrificing features+performance...
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josephnero
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I'm so mad at Qualcomm.damn i'm one of their defenders but they had a lot of time to fix 810 and did almost nothing. |
KLclip
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Who's to say they didn't fix or attempt to fix the problem? Why hasn't anyone reported this for the HTC or Xiaomi final releases? My understanding is that this is a very special case given Sony's very slim design as stated by "Xajel". Now this is what puzzles me a bit, Sony more than likely didn't release the Z4/Z3+ at CES due to heating issues which had been rumored a long time before. Finally when they announced it there are reports of heating issues. As much we can blame Qualcomm, I think Sony also had a responsibility to fix this problem before allowing customers to purchase it. |
josephnero
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For now the only fix is downclocking and throttling so we can't call that a fix.but as per gsm arena preview of Z3+ it is doing better than both M9 and xiamoi in performance and heat so Sony did its part.i'm mad cause 810 was to be a prefect monster not a bit better than 801 or 805
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ascariss
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On 2015-06-11 13:56:12, josephnero wrote:
For now the only fix is downclocking and throttling so we can't call that a fix.but as per gsm arena preview of Z3+ it is doing better than both M9 and xiamoi in performance and heat so Sony did its part.i'm mad cause 810 was to be a prefect monster not a bit better than 801 or 805
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2015-06-11 12:58 ]
Spec wise it was/is great but then I wonder when the alarm bells went off in Qualcomm's labs with regards to overheating and performance? They had their development platform, clearly the problems should have at least showed up in these platforms, unless Qualcomm knew about the overheating and designed them to dissipate the heat better? I don't know.
I recall posting on the forums a few weeks or a month before the development platform was to launch, that all was on schedule. Which is weird if overheating already existed at this stage. But then perhaps the development platform did not have the overheating issues due to better heat dissipation? Unless this piece of kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npFTJNY6hnI
was the main development kit for most and not the actual full phone/tablet from intrinsyc? Seems like overheating may have not been an issue here? no idea.
So this brings up the issue, did Qualcomm ever see the overheating problem? If not, why not when it is happening, or at least severe throttling to prevent overheating. Different device designs vs their development platform? Next if Qualcomm did notice the overheating issue, when was this and why didn't they at least try to remedy it then and there? Maybe their tried? I feel launching the 810 like this was not a good idea yet they went forth.
Onto more discussion, doing some googling shows that blank3609 posted in late November regarding the overheating issues.
On 2014-11-26 11:53, blank3609 wrote:
I heard some interesting rumor about snapdragon810.
Qualcomm is facaing many problems with their snapdragon810 developing kit such as BigLittle Bug, Over heating in specific voltage related to BigLittle bug, GPU Driver shader related bug, and Ram frequency problem.
Samsung and Sony already started Plan B, and LG is considering starting Plan B.
Samsung's Plan B is asking their LSI unit to produce all 14nm Exynos for their Galaxy S6.
I don't know what is Plan B of Sony, But latest phone arena rumor said sony will using snapdragon 805 for their xperia z4.
According to huyui's rumor z4 international model will be FHD, not QHD. My guess is that snapdragon 805 is not powerfull enough to support QHD, so Sony choose to use FHD Display.
Motorola and Lenovo is considering to postpone their Snapdragon810 product
and xiaomi is even considering not to launch product with snapdragon810.
And sorry for my Bad english. I hope you guys can understand my post.
Wonder if the reason for the overheating is the little.big architecture or something else. Exynos info was on the ball, wonder what plan B was for LG, was this the 808? Although blank3609's info on the Z4 was a bit off with the 4GB of ram, unless this was the plan all along but Sony opted to go for 3GB instead at the last minute? Seen in this post
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=206261&start=6048
Xiaomi did launch their Mi Note pro, but after apparently extensive heat dissipation redesign with qualcomm. Benchmarks seem improved. Nothing from Motorola or Lenovo with the 810 either.
btw funny how none of the info from this person panned out, wonder if sony changed their plans or he just had wrong info?
https://twitter.com/xperia_insider
I posted last a large post last November with some thoughts.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=206261&start=6082
A LOT of speculation haha, lots of it wrong but who knows, maybe Sony were not happy with 810 and the main flagship was delayed to later this year?
My biggest fear is that the Z3+ will be sticking around for a while, probably until CES 2016 and then a true flagship will launch with 820 but there is a problem with this, one some markets are not getting the Z3+ and next, some xperia is to be featured in the new Bond film, assuming Sony got it into the movie haha.
Lots of unknowns in the next few months, with I presume a lot of rumours leaking/appearing. Exciting and worrisome times ahead in the last of Sony Mobile.
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stedus
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^The main cause for this issue might be from Apple's first 64-bit CPU
I remembered Qualcomm's marketing manager said that there were no need for 64-bit CPU for Mobile device right after Apple announced their 64 bit CPU in the Iphone 5s. Later, that guy was fired or resigned for his statement.
So I suspected their current (at that time) CPU road-map was disrupted. They had to abandon their Krait (32 Bit) development and come up with new 64-bit chip-set ASAP. So with that little time, they could not design a custom cores 64-bit CPU. Hence, they chose to use standards ARM designs for the Snap 810.
I think the 810 is just their stupid reaction to cope with Apple and SS 64 bit CPU.
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ascariss
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Indeed, this was all set off by apple going to 64bit, which is all great and good but rushing to 64bit was never the right move. I wonder if instead, qualcomm kept to their initial 64bit roll out and how that would have panned out.
Doesn't the 810 use a stock ARM micro-architecture since it was faster to use that than design their own custom cores? And now the new 820 uses the custom Kryo core?
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I think they claimed that ARM's design was better than their Krait is just a way for them to justify their reaction.
The Krait cores were great, but they were not designed as a 64bit but a 32bit cpu. I think they was stunned by Apple and SS's 64-bit. They just want to be relevant in the game and rush a new 64bit CPU ASAP. Right now, they have to cope with their stupid decision
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Xajel
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On 2015-06-11 17:43:11, stedus wrote:
So I suspected their current (at that time) CPU road-map was disrupted. They had to abandon their Krait (32 Bit) development and come up with new 64-bit chip-set ASAP. So with that little time, they could not design a custom cores 64-bit CPU. Hence, they chose to use standards ARM designs for the Snap 820.
I think the 810 is just their stupid reaction to cope with Apple and SS 64 bit CPU.
[ This Message was edited by: stedus on 2015-06-11 17:11 ]
Nope they didn't, All companies were working on 64bit designs, including Qualcomm, but all were not in a hurry and planned it for 2015 and 2016, but Apple planned it before that and they did it...
This made every company on their own thinking of plan B, Samsung saw the best is to wait for final ARM design and just do it as this will be the fastest way.. and to be unique: lets have it on 14nm... they can do it and they did it
Qualcomm was working on their Krait 64bit upgrade, but they will need a lot of time to do it and the industry needs something 64bit as soon as possible.. not to mention they need to have something to fight while the their Krait 64bit is done... Krait 32bit will not make it even with upgrades as it will be still 32bit...
So the fastest thing they can do is to go for standard ARM designs, just like Samsung and others... but the different is they will need to rely on 20nm as they don't have any other option... and to make things quicker they will rely also on Adreno...and the worst, because Qualcomm didn't work on this with others ( they don't use ARM designs for their high-end ) and Samsung and MediaTek already started before with these designs, Qualcomm rushed everything and did it with less than usual optimisations and work that needs to be done before launching it...
Even MediaTek didn't release their Octa as quickly as Qualcomm while they started way before Qualcomm just to see how much work needs to be done not to mention they didn't use A57 at all and they mentioned that A57 was not efficient at all, preferred higher clocked and optimised A53 over it and later A72.. not to mention the weaker GPU in MediaTek...
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2015 Mostly a ‘Transformation’ Year for Sony Mobile; 2016 Will Offer More ‘Bold’
Complete transformation in order to record a profit in FY2016
Focus resources through model count reduction and develop technology and appealing products for FY2016 and beyond
Clarify regional strategy and enhance profit management in each region
Take bold steps to develop new businesses
http://www.sonyrumors.net/201[....]y-mobile-2016-will-offer-bold/
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A never ending story..Everything's Gonna Be Better Next Year....Link text... 
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