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Dogmann
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@Whybe
Are you really that silly or just trying to wind me up? i mentioned that it was evidence that the HTC's involvement is more than just building the X1 for SE.
TouchFlo is an HTC app not part of the WM OS is it? otherwise please show me just one other WM device not made by HTC that runs it?
Simple answer is you can't as it quite simply is a HTC developed UI and used on HTC devices and now on the X1 which is obviously an HTC device developed and built for SE.
So despite all your claims that HTC are just building it for SE and all the software will be done by SE that doesn't seem to be true does it? Lets just wait and see when it arrives just how much of the X1 actually is running anything unique to a WM device.
It may be just the panels and if that's the case that's really not very much is it or anything close to what you keep on claiming without anything other than wishful thinking. You have zero proof or information supporting any of the wonderful things you are so happy to constantly claim do you. You also seem to have very little knowledge or understanding of WM either.
So try applying the criteria you think i should and have proof and data for all the absurd things you like to claim as fact.
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Arne Anka
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On 2008-07-15 16:34:44, aksd wrote:
Like you said 1 chipset does'nt mean a thing  .
What EMP offers is not "just a chip", it's a complete solution inlcuding both HW and SW.
Here you can find more information of what that mean.
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]/ericsson_mobile_platforms.pdf
http://www.ericsson.com/solut[....]s/about_emp/bro_EMP_lower.pdf'
http://www.ericsson.com/solut[....]complete_offerings/index.shtml
An interesting side note is that in May 2007 EMP announced their first open OS platform U370 supporting Symbian as well as Windows and Linux. It is stated that the first end-user products are expected to hit the market second half of 2008. Coincidence with the release date of X1 ? Well, you tell me.  
http://www.ericsson.com/solut[....]newsarchive/2007/issue_1.shtml
How much HTC is involved in the development of X1 I have not the slightest idea, but I'm sure they are involved in some way.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-15 23:07:37, Dogmann wrote:
@Whybe
...TouchFlo is an HTC app not part of the WM OS is it? otherwise please show me just one other WM device not made by HTC that runs it?...
Simple answer is you can't as it quite simply is a HTC developed UI and used on HTC devices and now on the X1 which is obviously an HTC device developed and built for SE.
Well Dogmann, there's a definite language barrier between us. You add and subtract meaning to/from my statements. TouchFlo, of course is not included with windows--so no, it is not a WM app in that sense. However, it is an HTC proprietary app made to run within WM--in that sense, it IS a WM app. See what I mean by language barrier? This same mistake keeps happening. Just because an app is proprietary to one manufacturer, doesn't mean it ISN'T a WM app.
So, I stick to my statement.
So despite all your claims that HTC are just building it for SE and all the software will be done by SE that doesn't seem to be true does it? Lets just wait and see when it arrives just how much of the X1 actually is running anything unique to a WM device.
So what do you think SE is doing from the time X1 was announced to it's release? Waiting for HTC to finish creating and designing the X1? 
It may be just the panels and if that's the case that's really not very much is it or anything close to what you keep on claiming without anything other than wishful thinking...
If I am stating opinion, I make it clear that I am doing so. If I am stating fact, I most certainly try to provide proof. Always have. Slow down and concentrate when you're reading
I haven't made any outlandish claims...you only interpret my statements that way.
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djin
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leaving the fight aside, when is x1 releasing?? i heard its delayed to next year!!!!
n is there any proof or statement by se that any part of it is being made by htc or something:S??? |
WhyBe
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On 2008-07-16 02:39:13, djin wrote:
leaving the fight aside, when is x1 releasing?? i heard its delayed to next year!!!!
n is there any proof or statement by se that any part of it is being made by htc or something:S???
Haven't heard of any delay. For some reason, the rumoured delays are never widely published.
SE is using HTC as an ODM. Some people are using this fact to completely discredit SE from the X1. |
drgopoos
Joined: Dec 02, 2004
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Success of HTC handsets can easily be attributed to forum.xda-developers
HTC pro is going to be a success from the reviews already available. Its much better than touch and kaiser ( Kaiser is the best handset i have ever used)
X1 could also be a very good device.
i dont fully agree that x1 is very different from pro.... Both of them are going to cater to the same market. But people who go for looks, will go for x1 and those who look for reliablity will go for htc... Essentially both of them are the same except for the superficial user interface.. deep inside they might just be the same...
The final verdict will again depend on what i said initially... SUPPORT.. and only place u get is forum.xda-developers |
WhyBe
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On 2008-07-16 03:46:02, drgopoos wrote:
... i dont fully agree that x1 is very different from pro.... Both of them are going to cater to the same market. But people who go for looks, will go for x1 and those who look for reliablity will go for htc... Essentially both of them are the same except for the superficial user interface.. deep inside they might just be the same...
So how is one more reliable than the other? Or are you talking software reliability?
I haven't seen any thorough "hands-on" TouchPro reviews yet. Can you link to one? Or should we assume that it's the same as the Diamond?
Thanks
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mario2004
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@WhyBe I think you should stop now buddy Is the wise thing to do
'Better govern our selfs the wrong way, then be governed by 'others' the right way.'
- Robert Mugabe - Freedom fighter comarade, peoples hero and President of Zimbabwe. |
WhyBe
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On 2008-07-16 05:43:32, mario2004 wrote:
@WhyBe I think you should stop now buddy Is the wise thing to do
 ...or else?
mario2004, do you have anything to contribute or are you just trolling? |
Dogmann
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@Whybe
You made the same claims earlier that HTC where just building it for SE and ALL the SOFTWARE would be form SE you wouldn't see any WM software unless you dug deep into the OS. The panels would hide all and any sign of WM it would all be an SE interface.
I don't have a problem reading what you post neither does anyone else when they told you were wrong you continued to argue you are right.
Now it's the same thing again you quite clearly said
"TouchFlo is a WM app and X1 is a WM device that also meets the hardware requirements to run TouchFlo."
As again it is NOT a native WM app as it is not in the OS it runs on WM but it is a HTC app and UI no other manufacturer can use it but HTC or those they sell it to.
Microsoft didn't write it and it isn't part of the WM OS you can't go and buy it from Microsoft as part of the supplied OS.
Again the point of mentioning that the X1 was now running a HTC app and UI was that you have claimed many times that HTC where just building it and all the software on the X1 was being written by SE. Now obviously with this latest bit of news that is 100% wrong isn't it?
The problem isn't many of us not understanding what you say in your post's it's the fact that really you haven't got a clue what you are talking about most of the time. As they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing but you keep on insisting it's us not understanding you if you carry on digging a hole for yourself you'll be in China soon.
Now you can try and explain it away any way you want to as of course your just a poor misunderstood boy but frankly i am not wasting any more time on you your just not worth it.
Which is why i stopped posting in the X1 thread until it turns out HTC are indeed having input on the software as the X1 is actually using their TouchFlo UI. Which to say the least is very surprising as i thought the panels where going to perform that function. So why the need for TouchFlo then? especially if as you claimed SE are writing all the software very strange indeed isn't it?
The last question you asked and i'll answer was
"So what do you think SE is doing from the time X1 was announced to it's release? Waiting for HTC to finish creating and designing the X1?"
Trying to get all the software they wanted to add to work and obviously struggling why else would they suddenly need to pay HTC to use TouchFlo?
It such shame that SE are no longer the company Ericsson was or the great company so many of you still seem to believe they are. From recent form if they organised a party at a brewery everyone would go home sober.
One last thing for you to ponder
The definition of an idiot
Every one makes mistakes the wise person learns from them.
The idiot keeps on repeating them.
It's easy to see which one of the two you fall into isn't it?
Marc
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann
I'm no longer going to bore others by going back and forth with you about insignificant details. I've clearly explained myself enough. You seem to be of the small few who have problems comprehending my statements. Obviously, neither of us is going to budge from our positions. In the scope of everything, our opinions are inconsequential to market outcome of these devices anyways.
I will accept the title of being a stubborn idiot, since it obviously makes you feel bigger.
Dogmann wrote:
The definition of an idiot
Every one makes mistakes the wise person learns from them.
The idiot keeps on repeating them.
It's easy to see which one of the two you fall into isn't it?
Marc
To repeatedly allow an idiot to piss you off makes you an idiot also, doesn't it?  So, go read your OWN quote in the mirror! 
And yes, X1 is still the better device. I don't care if HTC, Fisher-Price, or Nabisco makes it. Many other will agree. |
anonymuser
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On 2008-07-16 08:38:47, WhyBe wrote:
@Dogmann
I'm no longer going to bore others by going back and forth with you about insignificant details. I've clearly explained myself enough.
Whybe, I don't often leap to the defence of Dogmann, but here he has you bang to rights. The presence of Touch Flo (a propietary HTC ui developed exclusively for HTC phones) gives the lie to this whole idea that the X1's software is entirely SE developed.
When you accept, as you must, that HTC are heavily involved in the software as well as the hardware implementation, then really this fantasy of the X1 being in some kind of different league to the likes of the Touch Pro goes out the window. And frankly, if you knew anything about WM devices and the clear advantage that HTC's WM devices have had to date over the competition, you wouldn't be too troubled by that either.
But please, drop this idea that SE are about to teach everyone else how to make a Windows Mobile phone. With or without HTC's involvement, all the hard evidence so far is that this is will be a 100% standard Windows Mobile phone, with all the same WM apps for messaging etc, and the panels thrown in for a bit of wow factor. It will be in direct competition with the Touch Pro, and it will have a hard time justifying it's likely "premium" price tag over the ubiquitous HTC equivalent, especially in these credit crunched times. The vast majority of people who actually use Windows Mobile handsets like this are not "bleeding edge PIMPS" looking for something to look shiny next to their cigar cutters, but practical, professional people looking for the best power/reliability for the least cash - and I'll bet that's the Touch Pro.
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Indiandawg
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Cut the faff guys when is it gonna be out? *Hello* Sony Ericsson? Or still there is network problem? lol
Am serious guys get some news
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann, @Boinng, @mario2004 & others who disagree with me:
You're right. I'm wrong.
No one is going to be bothered with this overpriced rebranded HTC. SE is delaying it's release to make everyone THINK they are making something special. Ultimately, when released, the X1 will be a huge let down because people will realize it's just another typical WM device. They waited for nothing.
Now, did I say that well enough??? |
WhyBe
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On 2008-07-16 09:22:11, Indiandawg wrote:
Cut the faff guys when is it gonna be out? *Hello* Sony Ericsson? Or still there is network problem? lol
My guess is late September/ early October. No one seems to know. One thing is for sure though...
Come Q4, ALL OTHERS WILL BOW DOWN to SE_X1!!!
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