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Indiandawg
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Rumours are x1 is goin to be out in 1st week of august. |
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Arne Anka
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On 2008-07-15 14:40:00, aksd wrote:
BUT the X1 is not SE engineering but HTC engineering, bottom line it does'nt matter as long as the end product is good.
Wouldn't be supprised if HTC uses a platform provided by EMP for X1, in which case this phone is not much more different than any other SE phone (the release below is from 2003, but HTC is still an EMP customer).
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]releases/20030618-908277.shtml
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-15 15:35:03, aksd wrote:
HTC Design + s/w solutions it looks like now does'nt it.
HTC mobo design. SE software, SE sexiness and styling, SE support, SE name.
THe X1 is not better than the Pro and the Pro is not better than the X1. One has what the other lacks and vice versa.
I bet few will agree with you. TouchPro is nice but is no X1. It seems as if the SE software is going to coexist with the other WM software better (X-panels w/2-press access) as opposed to TouchFlo 3D which locks you into it's own world while it's running. I bet the X1 runs alot smoother too. The metal design of the X1 is alot more appealing as well as the optical pad. I think I like the better ergonomics of the X1 keyboard also (for better texting). Let's not forget the highres screen. The jury is still out on the accelerometer and TV out capability.
So what if they both use the same mobo/chipset? That alone really means nothing.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-15 16:07:00, Arne Anka wrote:
On 2008-07-15 14:40:00, aksd wrote:
BUT the X1 is not SE engineering but HTC engineering, bottom line it does'nt matter as long as the end product is good.
Wouldn't be supprised if HTC uses a platform provided by EMP for X1, in which case this phone is not much more different than any other SE phone (note that the date is from 2003).
http://www.ericsson.com/erics[....]releases/20030618-908277.shtml
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2008-07-15 15:12 ]
Great find Arne Anka! That article is dated 2003.......So the HTCs are really Ericssons???????? I would love to see the technical details of that partnership.
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aksd
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No HTC was made at a SE plant, Ericsson != SE . Like you said 1 chipset does'nt mean a thing . The whole thing was designed
You have a point at the Panles being better than TouchFLo because of the modability, but we need to wait and see though.
It wont be smoother as HTC have handled the WM solutions bit as we have seen and the driver used on the X1 will be identical to that on the Pro.
THe Pro keyboard seems better for texting especially withthe independant numerical row, i find that much easier to type with but thats just me. No TV out afaik.
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WhyBe
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The X1 certainly looks smoother/responsive in the videos.
Get real, obviously there is some business relationship between Sony / Ericsson and SE beside name swapping. It's crazy to try and completely disassociate the three entities.
So HTC's are really built on Ericsson designs huh?
No wonder HTC's are so good.....  If SE ever buys HTC, HTC will really be great then.....if they are still called HTC  |
aksd
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There was a rumour a year ago about a HTC buyout by SE, but that does'nt look possible with SE being in their current low. Also looks like WM is just a means to tide over till the new SYmbian platform is ready for commercial launch, which imo should be better than WM, being open source and all.
I have'nt seen any vids of the Pro in action, like I said we need to wait till the final units ship.
The EMP is used by several other companies, like HTC use Qualcomm as their primary chip manufacturer they use the EMP although I'm not sure if they're still using it, I dont know much about the network side of things.
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=60917
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-15 17:01:21, aksd wrote:
There was a rumour a year ago about a HTC buyout by SE, but that does'nt look possible with SE being in their current low.
That market ranking is all relative. They still have plenty of resources to buy/merge HTC.
Also looks like WM is just a means to tide over till the new SYmbian platform is ready for commercial launch, which imo should be better than WM, being open source and all.
WM is here to stay with  . It only makes sense for a manufacturer to diversify it's product range if they aren't dominating the market with one (UIQ/Symbian). Besides, it should be awhile before Symbian is up to the power/refinement of WM out-of-the-box...same for Android.
I have'nt seen any vids of the Pro in action, like I said we need to wait till the final units ship.
What's taking them so long? HTC must be having problems
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aksd
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Firstly WM in its current form is'nt all that great. When Symbian becomes OS then the community can contribute and make it better, more people adding features and fixing bugs. Android will better WM6.1 at launch for sure. The only reason WM has any popularity is because of its freedom and large number of applications, 4000 apps are already ready for Android and its open sourc so things cant get any easier.
THe fact that SE has contracted HTC for building its WM phones is proof enough that they're not too serious about WM. They've now invested in the SYmbian FOundation which is proof enough that thats where they're heading in the future. No doubt they'd be more XPeria WM based phones down the line as 2010 is a long way off yet.
And the last I heard, from most users who have actually used WM is that its un-refined . OS X and S60 are the most refined UIs and OSs on the market.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-15 17:50:06, aksd wrote:
Firstly WM in its current form is'nt all that great. When Symbian becomes OS then the community can contribute and make it better, more people adding features and fixing bugs. Android will better WM6.1 at launch for sure. The only reason WM has any popularity is because of its freedom and large number of applications, 4000 apps are already ready for Android and its open sourc so things cant get any easier.
Don't forget that WM isn't stagnant! WM7 is on it's way.
THe fact that SE has contracted HTC for building its WM phones is proof enough that they're not too serious about WM. They've now invested in the SYmbian FOundation which is proof enough that thats where they're heading in the future.
I don't think that's proof at all. I think speed to market and R&D is the reason they went the route they did with X1. It was the most viable and powerful option at the moment. I think will keep their options open.
And the last I heard, from most users who have actually used WM is that its un-refined . OS X and S60 are the most refined UIs and OSs on the market.
Fair enough, you got me there. I meant refined as far as provided features out-of-box. Yes, I've noticed the WM clunkiness
I can only wonder how Android will do in the consumer market...with WM7, the new Symbian, and whatever Steve Jobs has in store for us down the road. Android hasn't established a base yet.
If WM7 is as good as it's supposed to be, and it's tightly as integrated into Windows 7 as it's supposed to be, AND Windows 7 is all it's cracked up to be, then all others will have their work cut out for them. I know it's a lot of if's, but it isn't beyond reason.
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I'm using Android on the TyTN II although its hardly funtionaly you can still make and recieve calls etc. Hangs quite a bit and this is a kernel compiled from the SDK I'm sure the manufacturers developing Android have a stable release ready.
Symbian(in the future) and Android do not require any royalty to be paid for use of the OS on any phone, thats what they mean by open source. While as of now Windows charges 15USD per phone, in the future why would any manufacturer want to waste so much money when they could use equally powerful OSes for free .
The only reason SE went WM is because they do not have the resources to put into WM or development of a new smartphone platform, for reasons unkown to us, eg: The Symbian FOundation was a surprise to the industry, nobody expected it now did they. Maybe SE are putting all their in house efforts into dveloping future platforms, and the HTC thing is to make sure they dont deplete their resources, something like a time out while getting paid for it. Nothing wrong with that though. Dont you see, SE are taking awhile to release the X1 because they have a small team working on it, otherwise the X1 should have been out by now, not much work is required to be done by SE mostly everything has been taken care of by HTC as we can see. Developing the panels and implementing them along with other apps with a reasonably large sized team would'nt have taken them more than 3 months. THe X1 platform has been in dev at HTC from Nov 06 onwards or even before if you consider the TyTN II.
Regarding WMs future we just have to wait and see what WM7 offers. If it just finger friendly support then its pointless, they need to do something future proof, such as incorporate Multi touch, openGL etc.. |
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@Whybe
I only posted that because i knew as you live in Egypt on the banks of De Nile would come out with some great answers that once again would prove that you really have such little understanding of WM it's funny. But even i didn't dream you could come out with any answer as stupid as this.
"TouchFlo is a WM app and X1 is a WM device that also meets the hardware requirements to run TouchFlo. "
This proves without a doubt that if brains were dynamite you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose. So no i won't waste any of my time answering your absurd conclusions.
As if you really still don't understand anything about WM or that matter Ericsson and EMP not being SE your just not worth it. Most of us are fully aware of what a great company Ericsson are and how advanced EMP and their future solutions are going to be. But at the same time we would love to see Sony and Ericsson split so Ericsson could once more be great all by itself.
You just carry on with the belief the X1 will be the best device ever and we will all wait and see what happens when the X1 is released before jumping to unfounded conclusions.
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann
You would do alot better if you would support your statements with some data and facts or, at least, logical conclusions based on known facts. You always seem to leave that part out of your posts.
You're pretty adept at calling people idiots though . I can't compete with that sort of brain power.  However, name-calling doesn't support any of your assertions, now does it?
Grace me with your knowledge and sources. No more excuses about not wanting to "waste your time" with details.
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Dogmann
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@Whybe
Just which statements in my post require backing up with some data and facts then?
How about you do the same when you say
""TouchFlo is a WM app and X1 is a WM device that also meets the hardware requirements to run TouchFlo."
Which is 100% wrong isn't it?
It would also be great if you backed up all your absurd conclusions with data and facts rather then what you want to believe is true but isn't.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-07-15 20:02:54, Dogmann wrote:
@Whybe
Just which statements in my post require backing up with some data and facts then?
Uuuum...all of them OK, maybe 95%.
How about you do the same when you say
""TouchFlo is a WM app and X1 is a WM device that also meets the hardware requirements to run TouchFlo."
Which is 100% wrong isn't it?
X1 can run TouchFlo now. Correct?
TouchFlo cannot run without WM installed. Can it?
X1 is indeed a WM device. Isn't it?
Please show me where I'm wrong 
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