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aksd
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LOL....now why would I stoop to such a low level to bullshit about a friend more of an acquaintence though owning the X1, there are a few models in India which have been brought here for localization.
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mib1800
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@whybe
To clarify, the Xpanels plus SE's own suite of X1 apps (camera, radio, media player, pic browser, and so on...), plus any developers writing apps specifically for the X1 should be sufficient that you would not see proper WM interface with typical daily usage. With WM7 coming, this is a pretty moot point anyways  since it supposedly brings a new UI.
Partially true. If the contact/sms app is replicated in the panel shell then you can pick/send contact/sms from the panel. But let say you open the contact/sms via a link in Pocket IE or WMP or from other bundled 3rd party app, which version of the contact/sms will be activate? Of course, it is built-in WM contact/sms app and NOT the one built by SE that will be used.
So no matter what, you cannot escape from the underlying WM. So now the question is how much you want to replicate the underlying apps. THere are pros-and-cons. The con with too many replicated apps is users will end up using 2 different apps for the same task depending on situation thus confusing the hell out of them. For me, I would a like light shell as much as possible. I want the phone to be responsive. Anyway most of the basic built-in WM apps are quite usable and user-friendly (but don't look nice) so I dont really want some memory hogging eye-candy equivalent to bog down the system.
You have to accept that Xpanel will NEVER be like Iphone UI. THere has never been a shell (whether from HTC or 3rd party or X1 panels) that can fully hide the WM underneath. If you can't accept this fact, then you are the one who is very naive.
Most WM users know that they are many add-in shells that can perform equivalent to what TouchFlo or X1 panels can. I think at the end of the day, what matters most for repeat WM buyers (who will form the majority) is the hardware spec.
I am currently looking for a new WM phone. I think many like me would find the hardware spec of X1 is quite middling. Even if X1 is available now, it is not a sure bet that I will consider it over Diamond or i900. imo, on the whole i900 still has a better hardware spec incl. 5Mp cam, better video rec, bigger screen, accelerometer, haptic feedback and much lighter.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-23 07:30:45, mib1800 wrote:
@whybe
...You have to accept that Xpanel will NEVER be like Iphone UI. THere has never been a shell (whether from HTC or 3rd party or X1 panels) that can fully hide the WM underneath.
So be it, but, I certainly like what I've seen so far. |
rontysee
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Hey guys, Bengalboy has updated his forum with new pics and videos of the new ROM. Check it out
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-23 08:58:07, rontysee wrote:
Hey guys, Bengalboy has updated his forum with new pics and videos of the new ROM. Check it out.
@rontysee
Darn! I'm at work where his site gets blocked. Can you report a few highlights back to this thread to hold me over till I get home?  |
rontysee
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@Whybe
No problem..
BB writes..
"The most important and quickly discovered suprise was the newly improved "Panels User Interface" that is being developed for the Sony Ericsson X1i exclusively. The new ROM has dramatically improved the speed of this interface and the application panels responsiveness and speed in loading. Also, the FM radio Panel has been much improved and I would declare this piece of "Application Panel" pretty much commercial. Remember though, more software development is going to make it even better while the rumored upgrade of the S.E.X1's RAM to 256mb will also give application performance a HUGE improvement over its currently "speedy" use. I did lose 3 panels in this ROM from my old one.... gone is the "AT & T", "Face Book" and "Financial Times" webpage shortcut panels. A new Plug-In "Sony Ericsson" device manager application has been added but the big news is the more responsive, speedier and seemless performance of the panels user interface. It needs and will get faster.... I'm very excited!!
The next most important discovery I made in the new ROM's files was the "Touch Flo" folder in the operating system. The hardware application is not working nor is there any menu for using it in the Settings of the device, but, the folder is there and it wasn't before. I'm not saying that the S.E.X1 will come to marker with "Touch Flo", ,,,, just that I'm encouraged about that possibility with the addition of this folder in the new ROM.
A third major improvement in this ROM and one I haven't seen on a Windows Mobile device before is the EXTREMELY IMPROVED messaging application's management of text SMS and MMS messages. No longer do you have a mirad of messages to sort through, or the constant deletion of each little message that comes in..... now you have "Communications" with individual contacts or messengers. Every message is recognized by phone number and a folder is opened for that messenger..... which results in one long ..... you guessed it,,,,,, ConverSation!!
Messages are run in a very "Windows Messenger" type format with responses being displayed below the conversation as you type your next message..... I like it Alot....
Next I found a more basic and early software customization for the S.E.X1 and the normal Windows Mobile Professional operating system devices. In the "Today Menu" the S.E.X1 now has 2 new "Themes" that won't be found on the normal Windows Mobile OS device..... The themes "Xperia Black" and "Xperia Silver" are available as cool eye candy for the ordinarily aged and boring Windows Mobile themes...
Another customization to the Sony Ericsson xPeria X1i is in the Games folder. The "since the birth of Jesus" Windows Mobile "Solataire" and "Bubble Breaker have new friends in the S.E.X1 with the addition of "BeJeweled 2" and "Sudoko"... Readers should all take note that the questions of the S.E.X1's widescreen VGA screen causing streatching or distortion of applications when rendering them is unfounded. These are standard Pocket PC games which have been certified to run on VGA devices. So,,,,, STOP WORRYING!!
Moving through the settings another early area software customizations appear is in the "Rings" folder of the operating system. Many, Many new ringtones have been added for the S.E.X1 to distinguish it from other Windows Mobile devices... variety is the spice of life you know???
And moving from the "Rings" folder to the "Video" folder revealed the addition of several "Xperia" demonstration movies. It looks like the S.E.X1 is gonna be marketed as a "Jazz Music" good feeling and sophisticated device.
Finally, the "Device Information" has now been updated to identify this unit as a "X1i" device and to carry software that meets the specifications of this model's promised performance & features...
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Bambino
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@rontysee
Wooo thats good news!
@dogmann
Take that speculator! 
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jalf
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finally SE doing it right again? |
Dogmann
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Hi all,
I apologise in advance for this very long post but seeing as WhyBe appears to have selective memory and has said
" I haven't seen any one of you guys properly quote me and show me I am wrong about something. Unfortunately, you guy's rants are always based on misquotes and misinterpretations. Maybe I should write clearer?"
OK WhyBe
Here you are a list of quotes of things you have been happy to claim but now are denying you have said.
Here is the first time you mention that the panels will completely shield the user from WM on page 127 on 15/5/08 @12:07
"I believe the X1 software will be much deeper than just a custom launcher. It would be stupid for to sell the Xperia software based on just the launcher panels alone. The launcher (and fish tank) is only what has been shown to the public so far. There is the camera software (which looked pretty slick to me), phone dialer, video recording, media player, contacts, gps, radio, and so forth. The software should completely shield the user from WM. Reaching WM should only be a choice, not something forced upon the user because only made pretty "panels" and nothing else."
So despite what you now like to claim that is exactly what you did say.
Followed by it yet again same page and date but @ 15:41
" Anyways, there is no need for a rewrite of the WM SDK (to add touch??????). I was saying, that Xperia software will be like a shell to WM. As long as covers all the bases (functions of the phone: camera, radio, phone dialer, etc.) there will be no need for the average user to even see the WM interface unless they choose to. Every function of the phone would be accessed through the apps. Of course, third party software would be something different. Even the SE rep in the video said they are giving developers time to develop apps for the X1 in time for it's release. Makes me believe these apps would follow the same Xperia GUI concept or else why would they wait for just some more standard WM apps? Ther's tons of those already."
You really seem so sure of this and believe it to be fact despite having it explained to you.
Once more directly after it is explained to you yet again insist everyone one is wrong and you are right same page @ 19:23 with
"I have not said anything untrue about the X1 (OK, maybe the angels singing ). Any speculation I have made is based on real and verifiable information--especially this last subject of X1 GUI laying on-top-of WM. Apple has sent all of the smartphone manufacturers back to the drawing board to get their GUIs improved. It would be stupid for any manufacturer to release a phone with just plain old WM with no GUI enhancements. I believe, based on what I have seen, that has recognized and is acting on this in a major way."
Once more when asked what will be the SE elements of the X1 you say yet again on 23/05/08 @00:55
"There will be software written especially for the X1 (800x480 WVGA) available through Handango InHand at the time of release. The white paper has information on some of the included panels. It seems as if you could possibly never see WM depending on what you run. All software is potentially accessible through panels. So to get from one app to the next, just press the panel button then choose the panel you want. Very iPhone-ish."
Now this is where it really starts to get funny as on P137 on 25/05/08 @ 21:36 you claim,
"3gp is just a version of H.264 modified for the constraints of mobile phones."
Which is totally and utterly incorrect.
Once more even after it has been explained to you that 3.Gp is not a codec of H.264 you still insist it is with this on page 139 29/05/08 @13:52.
"Perhaps my sentence structure is confusing. Let me rephrase it: 3gp is just a version of H.264. However, 3gp is modified for the constraints of mobile phones.
mpeg4 = mpeg4-part 2
h.264 = mpeg4-part 10
.3gp = simplified mpeg4-part 14
Standard Def DVD = mpeg2 "
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this it is and always will be wrong.
Yet again same page and date @14:26 once more you repeat
"@Dogmann
I understand you clearly. 3gp is a part of the mpeg4 standard. The video encoding used in 3gp can be h.263 or h.264 or mpg4-part 2."
You really are having trouble understanding simple facts here aren't you? as that is wrong.
Now you come out with this amazing statement based purely on what you wish was true same date and page @ 22:06
" @Dogmann
I'd be interested in learning about the detailed X1i video specs for it's highest and lowest quality formats. For recording, I'd prefer 30fps at full VGA. I'm really doubting the e90's ability to do realtime VGA @ 30 fps @ full h.264 spec. I suspect, at that frame rate and resolution you are actually getting 3gp or some sort of compromise on full h.264."
As of course you are yet again wrong as the E90 does do this not comprised or using 3Gp as you want to believe despite being told this numerous times you just can't seem to grasp simple facts can you?
Well those are just some of the things you have indeed said and claimed aren't they none of us have imagined you saying them after all. Maybe you just forgot what you have said, so now I've quoted you would you care to explain them.
Marc
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann
I don't know Dogmann. As far as those quotes on the Xpanels, I stand by them. I take the position that you are not understanding the point I was making. I feel I was being pretty clear. You just printed a bunch of quotes with no contradicting evidence to my premise--other than saying it's wrong. IOW, you wasted a bunch of space
As far as video, 3gp is a file format, correct? h.263 and h.264 are codecs of differing quality given similar bitrates, correct? What's the issue? If you feel your e90 records true h.264 (not inferior quality) VGA @ 30fps then be proud...however, this is straight from the Nokia e90 user manual (bottom of page 61):
You can capture images or record video clips with the built-in camera. The camera produces images in .jpeg format and video clips in .mp4 or .3gpp format.
It does not record h.264. Yes, playback, but not record.
This was my only point about the e90 video.
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aksd
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It seems I made a mistake regarding the 3D drivers on the Diamond, it seems 3D is implemented to an extent although 2D acceleration is'nt. |
Humble
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Please be nice to each other, We do all have opinions, But blatantly cursing each other is totally out of order, No matter if your right or even wrong,
we all have an ideal phone, if the x1 isnt ideal then wait ie snapdragon omap or even Orion 88F5182 platforms
Anyway back on the Topic
I see on supergps website that the X1 is available mid september!!
and this is a very reputable site,
http://www.supergps.co.uk/son[....]DEgg-s_Nh2Zr1URiY3OT-AyCY9p4z&
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aksd
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@Humble
You are absolutely right, now lets get back to WM & X1 speak .
I'm personally debating now between
1. X1
2. TouchPro
3. i900
4. Moto Zn5(I know this is a totally different type of phone, but its good, very good )
Since I've got the TyTn II I think the i900 is actually a significant leap up with the intel processor and nice and big screen, but no keyboard is such a big issue  . And you know since you actually have WM experience that most apps are geared toward HTC phones, several apps dont work on my friends LG KS20.
THe wait till SnapDragon,OMAP 3(WM being only Asus I suppose) and the APX2500 would be till Q1-Q2 2009 which is a long way away , although Mwg plan to launch a WM7 phone Q4 2008 I highly doubt it now.
Android might be a good option, seeing that HTC's offerings will make full use of any hardware acceleration on the MSM7201A processor, with the built in compass and capacitive screen it looks very cool, but again Q4 2008, then might as well wait for WM7. I'm addicated to WM, syncing and doing things on it is just so easy .
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Forget the panels quotes as quite simply when the device is launched you will see despite everyone explaining it to you that you are wrong.
Now as for my E90 doesn't record in VGA 30fps H.264 even Chombos pointed out this to you. You are wrong and every device with the OMAP 2420 does from the first being the N93 then the N95 and N95 8GB and now the E90. Which is why such a big deal was made about again if you read the review clip i posted it said from 3gp being the lowest to 30fps VGA Mp4.
This is not disputable it is quite simply fact if you can't understand it i give up as your really just not worth the effort. If there is one thing i can't stand it's a sniveling little liar and that is exactly what you are. So so long and have fun with your imaginary abilities the X1 will have.
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