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ajape
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Again, like I said: There's no specific mention of any specific parts that need to be covered except for the bosom... see what I mean by misinterpretation? I don't mean to disrespect, there are many extremist fanatics in my religion (catholic) as well, and it all comes down to the same: misinterpretation of the holy writ. |
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PeterKay
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What you need to remember is that with the Holy Quran comes the Teachings of the Holy Prophet (saw) which is called Hadith in Arabic.
The Quran is the revelation and the Holy Prophet (saw) taught us how we should live this short life. The prophets daughter and wives also covered themselves up.
The Holy Quran says in Chapter 33 Verse 59:
59. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful
The Prophets wife "Ayesha (RA) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (RA) came to the Messenger of Allah (SAW) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood Hadith)
This is just one of many quotes from Hadith.
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goldenface
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@Peterkay
Do you not think that people should be allowed choose how far they interpret their religion? Are you very religious yourself and do you take the teachings quite literally?
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On 2005-07-13 12:49:00, PeterKay wrote:
These are your views and thanks for sharing them. My religion has mentioned the covering of the body over 1400 years ago and is still followed today, not just by my family but many muslims around the globe. Everyone has different beliefs and we follow what we believe.
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Why dont the men cover up? Why are men treated as so holy in your religion, i dont understand.
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I too would like to know. Surly woman also have “thoughts” about men. Why do the men not also cover themselves up as much as the woman to prevent the ladies from having the same thoughts as the men would if the ladies were in western clothing? (hope you know what I mean).
I myself am not religious although as a young boy was “made” to go to a Christian church and Sunday school, when I was older I realised that science explained a lot more about the creation of the universe than religion ever did to me.
@peter kay
As you seem pretty well knowledge about the Holy Quran, is it true that Mary (Jesus mum) was in the book, as I’m sure I’ve herd that she was? Just wanted to know 
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An interesting article (a very long one!!) about hinduism and women. The general belief is that women are treated very badly by hindus. Actually, some are...but thats not hinduism! I wonder why fanatics exist in every religion? Here
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goldenface
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I think it may be because men are not putting themselves at risk from women by showing themselves. Though it does appear inequal, in a way.
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PeterKay
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Very good questions indeed.
Yes, the man has been told to cover most parts of his body too. The man must not show below the knee and optional to wear a hat (taupee).
Hijaab for men
People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
[Al-Qur’an 24:30]
The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.
About me, well i know the full Quran by heart in Arabic word by word.
I pray the Quran every day and will do for the rest of my life.
Regarding Mary and the Holy Quran, well Almighty Allah has revealed a full chapter under the name of Mary (may Allah be pleased with her). This can be found Here
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More on Mary (May Allah be pleased with her).........
In the Qur'an the name of Virgin Mary appears 34 times; the name of her righteous son - Jesus, 25 times.
The Holy Quran states in Chapter 3 Verse 42:
Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
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joebmc
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@peter kay
So Are Qur'an and bible linked? You seem pretty on the ball with your region (unlike me who’s not religious but only interested in religions and there back grounds).
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COMPARISON BETWEEN QUR’AN AND BIBLE
If you glance through the Bible and the Qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with Christianity or Islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.
Creation of the Universe in Six Days
As per the Bible, in the first book of Genesis in Chapter One, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, ‘Ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. a day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.
When the Qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘Ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the Bible which states that the creation of the Universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
Sun Created After the Day
The Bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of Genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the Universe by God. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the Bible (Genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of Creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the Bible on this issue, the Qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of Creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the Bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the Bible.
Creation of the Sun, The Earth and the Moon
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
Vegetation Created on the third day and Sun on the fourth day
According to the Bible, Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the Bible?
If Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the Qur’an and had copied its contents from the Bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the Bible contains? The Qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.
The Sun and the Moon both Emit light
According to the Bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the Book of Genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night".
Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the Qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the Bible and then copied such corrected passages in the Qur’an is to think of something impossible.
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Another link comparing the Qur'an and the bible. |
vanquish
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so the qu'ran has copied off the bible???
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On 2005-07-13 16:42:37, vanquish wrote:
so the qu'ran has copied off the bible???
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NO!!! (3)
there are parts which are linked from the early centuries. |
PeterKay
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Nope, the bible was revealed to Jesus (peace be upon him) and the Holy Quran the final revelation to the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him). It is not a copy, there are similarities as mentioned above.
Read the bible and the Quran and judge for yourself.
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