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ok1907
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Other shots from comparison: http://share.ovi.com/album/Mo[....]ounge.NokiaN8vsCanonI?count=50 | |
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ok1907
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By the way, Ixus 130 has 1/2.3″ sensor, while N8 has 1/1.83″. That comparison was made on 15th of september according to exif data. So, that's not final firmware for sure.
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Luhccas-U1a
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On 2010-10-02 16:03:35, Vit wrote:
What are you refering to? Blurry areas? Please, be more specific.
There will always be "blurry areas" in pictures. Unless youīre @ the Hyperfocal distante, the DOF will be limited.
For the same fixed aperture, a bigger sensor has a shallower DOF than a smaller one.
Sometimes this shallow DOF effect is desirable.
This:
Right at ferris wheel...
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Vit
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On 2010-10-02 22:34:28, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
On 2010-10-02 16:03:35, Vit wrote:
What are you refering to? Blurry areas? Please, be more specific.
There will always be "blurry areas" in pictures. Unless youīre @ the Hyperfocal distante, the DOF will be limited.
For the same fixed aperture, a bigger sensor has a shallower DOF than a smaller one.
Sometimes this shallow DOF effect is desirable.
This:
Right at ferris wheel...
I agree with you on that area.
But thatīs a small portion of the scene. To my eyes there is plenty of detail on that picture, if you take that small portion aside.
Nevertheless, we all know that no optics is perfect. Satioīs, IMO, is one of the worst cameraphones when it comes to corner softness and general optics quality. It also lacks contrast, just like the old k800.
I donīt have a picture to compare fairly enough to the one youīve pointed at, but I do have one that compares to the second picture Iīve posted. This has come from my very own Satio:
Well, as anybody can see, apart from the center, everything else is very, very blurred.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-03 03:59 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
Luhccas-U1a
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But thatīs a small portion of the scene
Exactly... And that is worrying.
This isn't the only with that "dead" zone.
It's looks like a faulty sensor,not DOF,Hyperfocal distance,focal aperture limitations.
Your example just show a tilt shot like picture,isn't the same thing.
I can see a lot of details on N8's sample too. But the blurred point draws attention because it's noticeable weird.
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AbuBasim
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Water-drop on the lens?
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Vit
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On 2010-10-03 05:32:54, Luhccas-U1a wrote:
But thatīs a small portion of the scene
Exactly... And that is worrying.
This isn't the only with that "dead" zone.
It's looks like a faulty sensor,not DOF,Hyperfocal distance,focal aperture limitations.
Your example just show a tilt shot like picture,isn't the same thing.
I can see a lot of details on N8's sample too. But the blurred point draws attention because it's noticeable weird.
I agree with you that this particular area seems odd. But had it been a faulty sensor, one should expect to witness the same results throughout the collection of samples produced by the same camera. That doesnīt seem to be the case, though. Iīve seen some pics with the same area blurred, but also some without any blur at all. I donīt know. I thought it was a limitation of its optics. Perhaps distortion in one (or more) of the five optics elements on that area. As the focus changes, that effect become more or less aparent.
About the shot Iīve provided, my point was to compare it to that second N8 shot Iīve posted, in the absence of a fair comparison shot to the first one. I agree it doesnīt depict the same issue, but my point was merely to spot Satioīs main drawback. Donīt get me wrong here. For instance, I think that Satioīs sensor is very good in low light up to ISO 500, perhaps the best in this regard, but during the day, under strong light, its optics, at least to my taste, makes a great amount of pictures become a big letdown. Even though the camera was tilted on that shot, the nearest object in the frame was more than 10 meters away from me. I would expect it to be sharp enough. Take these shots I took with a Pixon12 as an example of more or less the same situation:
Anyway, I guess itīs still too soon to blame or to praise anything regarding N8īs camera, and even regarding the N8 itself.
I repeat that I agree with you about that shot, but from what Iīve seen from other pictures and sources, it seems to be a singular case, and I guess youīll agree with that.
Have you seen the comparison with the Canon IXUS 130? What are your thoughts about it?
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-03 11:09 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
Vit
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On 2010-10-03 10:29:43, AbuBasim wrote:
Water-drop on the lens?
Yeah, or perhaps dust, finger prints... You know, itīs not gotten a camera lens cover (I know Iīll miss it).
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i see Amazon.com USA now has the N8 up, with shipping in 1-2 months.. but sadly its the same price as Nokia.com.. $549
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Gsmarena have decided that they had to take control of the wrong criticisms about N8 >>> Here |
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I think this is just some units with default sensor. (like n82)
This is totally acceptable.
I'm not crucifying the N8 camera when i show these problems.
It's just something that caught my attention because the N8 was appointed as photographic revolution and that is not what we see. Even with big sensor,Carl Zeiss lens,wide angle etc...
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Vit
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Yeah, I guess it might not be a revolution altogether. You may be right.
Even though, I guess itīs better to wait for some serious reviews that are still to come, GSM Arenaīs and Phone Arenaīs, for instance.
Iīve seen some pretty good shots at higher ISO speeds, specially those near ISO 800. The shot bellow, for instance, has been shot @ ISO 708:
Pre-orders in Brazil start tomorrow. List price is 1499 reais (http://nokia.submarino.com.br/detail/index.site?pid=22025139&cid=80291&pcid=80291). I will buy it, anyway.
Reasonable price, reasonable package.
Even if the camera doesnīt work wonders, I guess it will be a good addition and a pretty useful companion to my daily usage.
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jake20
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@vit
I guess my question is that if the sensor is so large on the N8, why does it have to select an ISO level as high as 708 for this shot?
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Vit
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On 2010-10-04 03:49:36, jake20 wrote:
@vit
I guess my question is that if the sensor is so large on the N8, why does it have to select an ISO level as high as 708 for this shot?
I would think that ISO 400 would be more than bright enough this scene.
Well, this question may be difficult to answer. Personally I think that the person got the exposure almost perfectly.
So itīs definitely not the case of excessive ISO resulting in overexposured pictures. In this case the ISO has been balanced by its Shutter Speed to make a good exposure.
If you look at the EXIF data, its shutter speed is rated @ 1/33s. Itīs already a tricky speed for someone with a shaky hand. If the ISO was lower, it would be necessary to have an even slower SS. That could lead to a problem for most users.
So we are left with three variables to consider:
=> The ambient light could be more dim than we think;
=> Its flash unit may not be that strong. If itīs a weak one, itīs possible that they had to perform an ISO boost to compensate for that.
=> A more sensitive sensor could have allowed them to dim the flash light to save battery life.
Either the second or the third option might be the best answer. If you look at the picture above, itīs been taken with ISO 337. And thatīs a close shot:
Getting back to that ISO 708 picture, we can also see that not only the girl is well exposed.
The area far from the flash influence region is also well exposed. Take a closer look at those tables and stools behind her. Looking this way, weīll conclude that the first option also need to be taken into account.
Itīs also unknow whether this has been taken in Auto mode or not.
So, itīs a pretty difficult question to answer. If I only had one now...
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The photo gallery here at Esato has a few N8 photos uploaded. Two of them:
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=30494
http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/viewphotos.php?pid=30495
Open the full size photos and notice these also have the same fuzziness in the lower right corner?
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