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aksd
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The GPU implementation of the Diamond and the X1 should be identical. Forget about it being a HTC, even the iMate has the MSM7200 processor and there is'nt a proper implememntation, the LG KS20 has another improper implementation, now if none of the manufacturers can properly implement the 3D acceleration then there must be something flawed with the hardware dont you think? THis is not pertaining to video acceleration but 3D and OpenGL.
This is getting tireing, I have explained several times over that the XPanel is like a fancy touchFlo, its got a whole suite of apps, A today screen, RSS Feeds, MediaPlayer, Image Viewer etc.. Now these are assocaited to the XPanel, as far as I've heard from SE source XPanel is fixed you cant add your own apps, its only waht SE provides. At boot up all these XPanel apps are loaded into the RAM, this is why the RAM has been increased. THe 128Mb versions of the X1 did not have these additional apps and even if they did they were not fully functioning , I hope you understand this.
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drsilverworm
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I can't remember a source, but I remember hearing that panels will be very easy to develop and openly ready to download. You will be able to have a collection of panels. You will choose 9 panels at any one time to be your activated panels. |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-22 18:16:26, aksd wrote:
The GPU implementation of the Diamond and the X1 should be identical. Forget about it being a HTC, even the iMate has the MSM7200 processor and there is'nt a proper implememntation, the LG KS20 has another improper implementation, now if none of the manufacturers can properly implement the 3D acceleration then there must be something flawed with the hardware dont you think? THis is not pertaining to video acceleration but 3D and OpenGL.
Now that's some good logic right there  We'll have to keep our eye out for the results.
This is getting tireing, I have explained several times over that the XPanel is like a fancy touchFlo, its got a whole suite of apps, A today screen, RSS Feeds, MediaPlayer, Image Viewer etc.. Now these are assocaited to the XPanel, as far as I've heard from SE source XPanel is fixed you cant add your own apps, its only waht SE provides. At boot up all these XPanel apps are loaded into the RAM, this is why the RAM has been increased. THe 128Mb versions of the X1 did not have these additional apps and even if they did they were not fully functioning , I hope you understand this.
That's logical too! Well, more RAM is a good thing by most standards. I think the finalized software and panels provided by  and developers should really make the X1 special. I don't think the panels are a closed system, though.
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On 2008-06-20 22:37:05, WhyBe wrote:
@Dogmann
You stated yourself that your e90 doesn't play 30fps h.264 VGA. Well, the X1 does. I gave you the link a few posts back on the last page. Here it is again.
Don't fight the feelin!
I'm wondering if it will look bad. My LCD TV have 24-bit (16,777,216 colors) and the transition between colors can look strange in some cases compared to my 32-bit cert screen. So how will then the 16-bit Xperia X1 with 65,536 available colors look? Maby you won't notice it because of the small screen compared to 42" though. |
Dogmann
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Hi WhyBe
Well just came across a couple of interesting Video's on YouTube the first shows that perhaps besides the panels it's not quite as finger friendly as you seem to think as the guy seems to have to use the stylus a lot. As the standard WM selection boxes are to small to activate with a finger and need to stylus tip you can check it out here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJuzivsHJks&feature=related
Also you know you keep on saying one touch well it looks like when the panels respond some of them actually need double tapping not a single touch and one of them froze completely as it wouldn't open the app or side scroll through the thumbnails at all. As can be seen here in this video posted just a few days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qe_ohf0Re4
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WhyBe
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@dogmann
What, are you searching YouTube for the most negative looking videos  
That first one was funny...I don't think the guy knew what he was doing  He also wasn't running any SE apps.
The 2nd video looked kind of nice to me. I'm impressed. I don't know about the touch response. Maybe he didn't touch hard enough or had bad aim?
Perhaps when BengalBoy gets his new unit, he will report on the touch resposiveness. |
Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Actually the link to YouTube came from the Web site you linked in the "When will the X1 be for sale in the UK" so i just looked at some of the other video's whilst there.
But as Askd has pointed out the panels are just links to the apps once you are there it is back to WM. Your assumption it is a whole new interface is just not correct it is an overlay to WM it is not replacing it.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-22 22:30:28, Dogmann wrote:
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But as Askd has pointed out the panels are just links to the apps once you are there it is back to WM. Your assumption it is a whole new interface is just not correct it is an overlay to WM it is not replacing it.
When did I say any of that??? 
To clarify, the Xpanels plus SE's own suite of X1 apps (camera, radio, media player, pic browser, and so on...), plus any developers writing apps specifically for the X1 should be sufficient that you would not see proper WM interface with typical daily usage. With WM7 coming, this is a pretty moot point anyways since it supposedly brings a new UI.
You and aksd are probably so frustrated because you read something totally different than what I am writing
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Actually i think it's more you don't know what the **** you are talking about most of the time. Believe all you read is positive and deny anything at all that doesn't support what you want to believe. But anyway just another 4-5 months and then we will all no one way or the other. No i really must stop wasting my time with you as it's just pointless and arguing with an idiot only drags me down to your level.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-23 00:42:16, Dogmann wrote:
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Actually i think it's more you don't know what the **** you are talking about most of the time. Believe all you read is positive and deny anything at all that doesn't support what you want to believe. But anyway just another 4-5 months and then we will all no one way or the other. No i really must stop wasting my time with you as it's just pointless and arguing with an idiot only drags me down to your level.
You know, they say "common sense ain't all that common"
They also say, "Never argue with an idiot, because they'll always win"
Whose the idiot?...I guess that's all relative
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aksd
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You know, they say "common sense ain't all that common"
They also say, "Never argue with an idiot, because they'll always win"
Whose the idiot?...I guess that's all relative
I dont think being an idiot is relative, where knowing facts are concerned you're either right or you're wrong .
See the X1 is using the same WM as any other WM phone, you wont have an app developed specifically for the X1 as then the dev targets an audience much smaller than what he could otherwise thus earning money. Now tell me which dev would spend days working on an app and then restrict its sales, stupid dont you think? Especially when thats his livelyhood. You will just have normal WM apps being developed now with a new display resolution support. Like I said not all the devs will btoher about porting their apps to a WVGA res as maybe the gains will be too little with respect to the effort.
What I find very strange is basically like Marc said most of the time you dont know c*** what you're talking about, but you do talk that c*** with such confidence. I wonder if its just to rile Marc and me up .
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mario2004
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@WhyBe Sorry bud,what you are saying it just doesn't add up You seem confused. Are you sure it was the 2-nd and not the 1-st of April you joined this forum? if I were you,I would run away and hide bud.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-23 04:58:26, aksd wrote:
...What I find very strange is basically like Marc said most of the time you dont know c*** what you're talking about, but you do talk that c*** with such confidence. I wonder if its just to rile Marc and me up .
I use the information available about the X1, my tech knowledge and common sense, then draw a logical conclusion. I also smell BS from a mile away. I think what frustrates You, Dogmann and a few others, so much is that your crusade of anti-X1 BS doesn't stand up to my questioning--meaning your premises are very weak to begin with. One way to tell if someone is full of BS is when you question them, they get really defensive and upset...sound like anyone you know?
This is not to say that everything you say is invalid (I've learned a few things from you aksd, you make the most sense), just that some of the more negative stuff from you guys has no validity at all. The so-called release delays, panel bugs, and h.264 codec-ing among other things. It seems as if you guys are hoping for failure on the X1.
I haven't seen any one of you guys properly quote me and show me I am wrong about something. Unfortunately, you guy's rants are always based on misquotes and misinterpretations. Maybe I should write clearer?
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aksd
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You misunderstand WhyBe,
If I change my TyTn II in the coming months it will most probably be to an X1 or the Pro. But just because I like these two phones from the current crop of WM handsets does not mean they're the best, when somebody asks my opinion I give them the most unbiased opinion I can. We are not here to discuss our feelings but technology, and where technology is concerned there is no place for feelings.
BTW we have prooved you wrong on several occassions, its another matter altoghether if you want to accept it or not.
Now basically like I said, whatever said and done, wheather you want to accept it or not the X1 has shortcomings so does every other phone on the market some fewer than others.
Regarding the release delay, I dont want it delayed either, but certain persons in te industry predict that it is delayed, and until it is proved otherwise I will tend to believe that, looking at the market situation, SE are likely to put the bulk of their manpower behind the C905 that will end up generating them more cash flow in the long run. And methinks if the X1 is delayed it is due to this reason.
Who mentioned any panel bugs? What I've been pushing is that the panel is just a type of facelift, it does'nt change the core, all along, I cant help it if you cant understand a concept that simple. Earlier you thought or made the majority of the members reading your posts think that the X1 is some finger friendly wonder competing with the X1, which is complete BS. You may not have wanted to come across with that idea, but you did.
Regarding the H.264 playback, this we will never know until the final product is launched. Now the TYTn II plays back H.264 with coreplayer only, and a 22fps VGA vid is played back at about 17-18fps which is similar to its quality with divX avi. SO I guess logically playing back H.264 may not be such a big issue with 3rd party MediaPlayers as the X1 will have better implemented video acceleration than the TyTnII
You maybe speculating more than the rest of us, since many of us actually know what going on and not basing opinons on only what we read. A lot of which is Marketing BS. Like I said I've been asking a friend who works at SE who has or had an X1 in posession. |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-23 06:09:42, aksd wrote:
You misunderstand WhyBe,
If I change my TyTn II in the coming months it will most probably be to an X1 or the Pro. But just because I like these two phones from the current crop of WM handsets does not mean they're the best, when somebody asks my opinion I give them the most unbiased opinion I can. We are not here to discuss our feelings but technology, and where technology is concerned there is no place for feelings.
Oh, so you were just acting??? What does it matter to you guys if I think the X1 is the best for the moment? Why does that iritate you so?
BTW we have prooved you wrong on several occassions...
I must've been on vacation...never seen the memos.
Now basically like I said, whatever said and done, wheather you want to accept it or not the X1 has shortcomings so does every other phone on the market some fewer than others.
Of course, but that doesn't stop me from feeling it is the best
Who mentioned any panel bugs? What I've been pushing is that the panel is just a type of facelift, it does'nt change the core, all along, I cant help it if you cant understand a concept that simple. Earlier you thought or made the majority of the members reading your posts think that the X1 is some finger friendly wonder competing with the X1, which is complete BS. You may not have wanted to come across with that idea, but you did.
I assume you meant iPhone. Yes, I do believe any smart manufacturer will design a smartphone product with the iPhone in mind. Hell, even Microsoft is designing WM7 being very mindful of iPhone (that should tell you something). By "like iPhone" I mean intuitive, finger friendly, smart features and a generous helping of eye candy.
From the beginning I've fully understood what the Xpanels are and where WM fits into the whole X1 equation. The software design does not stop at the panels nor does it change WM...my point all along.
You maybe speculating more than the rest of us, since many of us actually know what going on and not basing opinons on only what we read. A lot of which is Marketing BS. Like I said I've been asking a friend who works at SE who has or had an X1 in posession.
Beep Beep Beep
BS detector going off.....
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