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drsilverworm
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In a thread about the Xperia X1, all Dogmann has contributed is how the X1 just isn't the phone for him and his E90 is the perfect fit for him.
He has about 5 posts for every page, and hasn't said anything unbiased towards his own opinions yet.
How is this not trolling? Please leave Dogmann. You're making it harder for people like myself to read the actually interesting contributions other X1 enthusiasts have to share.
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On 2008-06-22 07:46:04, aksd wrote:
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Agree with you on a few points. HSUPA is a mus, but remember this is'nt SE's doing its the Qualcomm chipset which supports it and the X1 is basically nothing but a HTC in SE clothing, wheather anybody would like to accept it or not is immaterial it is what it is.
Well, apparently I meant a pioneer in the implementation of new technologies instead of development, since they have been quite reserved in adopting anything new for a while now. Yeah, we would all have to learn to accept that it's an HTC gadget by now
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tonyitalian
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does anyone think its wise to wait for the xperia till october?? or sgud i get the samsung i900 omnia??
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On 2008-06-22 09:45:04, tonyitalian wrote:
does anyone think its wise to wait for the xperia till october?? or sgud i get the samsung i900 omnia??
if the i900 fits your requirements, then go with that.
but its's really up to you to decide.....
im curious to see if any more changes are going to be made on the x1 just like 256mb ram was added.....
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@tonyitalian
imo, there is no point waiting for X1 as it will sometime before it comes on the market (worst case will be next year). Furthermore, it gonna be expensive. Well, HTC already would make a bunch of profit off SE on the hardware. It is much cheaper to buy from HTC direct instead of from middleman SE.
I am also looking at i900. I think the i900 is better because of larger screen, 5MP cam, haptic feedback, accelerometer and of course built-in 16Gb + card slot. If you like the X1 panels, I bet some hackers would ripped it off to be used on any WM.
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dalevil
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yeah ur right guys... but the point there is what really fit on our needs... but i love the xperia... cant wait for that |
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Yes the i900 does look very good. With the specs it has, it could very well be the best offering on the market when its released, providing everything functions smoothly of course. though samsung are usually reliable on that front.....
personally, i NEED a physical keypad/keyboard of some sort.
so if i HAD to choose out of ONLY those 2 phones, i would go for the x1.
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The hardware in the i900 is just far out.
The processor is the new Marvel PXA310 @624Mhz it has video acceleration and can playback 700 and something videos which is better than VGA. It has OpenGL 1.1 support. A very efficent processor. SHould enjoy watching videos on it although it does'nt have a 3D gaming accelerator, not sure how it'll fare on the gamin front.
The only negative on the i900 is the wierd screen resolution of 400*240, applications might be a problem. Also since most WM apps are written for HTC based phone you might come across a bit of incompatibility. That problem does'tn exist on the X1.
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On 2008-06-22 07:46:04, aksd wrote:
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...and the X1 is basically nothing but a HTC in SE clothing, wheather anybody would like to accept it or not is immaterial it is what it is.
Yes, but, SE is going to reap all the credit and brand recognition in the market for X1, not HTC. So all future Xperia devices, manufactured by HTC or not, will be credited to the SE brand name. Who's heard of the company that manufactured the p910 ?
@WhyBe
The CPU speed hardly influences it much, the OMAP2420 clocked at 350Mhz is more efficent than the MSM7200A due to excellent intergration between the processor and the GPU, a lot of the CPU load is taken by the PowerVR GPU. On the MSM7200A the 3D implementation is sub standard and most of the load is taken by the CPU.
What are you basing that on...the TyTnII ?
To tell you the truth the E90 and the X1 might just have the same amount of RAM at bootup about 80-90MB. But the difference is that the X1 would already have the mediaplayer and other utilities loaded up on the RAM while the E90 wont. Remember all we are doing is speculating at this moment. You really cant tell which will have more free mem till the final product is out. Just because it says 256MB on paper does'nt mean the user gets more mem. A diamond with 19MB RAM has less free RAM at boot than my TyTn II with 128.
So far, as of the last ROM, the 128MB X1 has 33MB of free memory on boot. However, since we know the X1 is going to have 256MB, that leaves 161MB of free RAM on startup. It would be nice to see what type of mind blowing application  includes in the final unit that would consume most of the 161MB remaining memory  .
The two press thing is'nt just X1 specific, you can make any WM phone behave similarly, so many today plugins to choose from, your phone can look totally different every day if you please  .
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On 2008-06-22 09:58:52, mib1800 wrote:
...Well, HTC already would make a bunch of profit off SE on the hardware. It is much cheaper to buy from HTC direct instead of from middleman SE...
@mib1800
This would be true if we were only in it to purchase hardware instead of the overall phone design. The i900 is just a basic WM device with no extra work by Samsung on the software side. The hardware is obviously only a portion of the total X1 package.
This i900 demo doesn't look very elegant at all  In fact, let me be the first to say the i900 interface works like crap. I hope Samsung get their act together before releasing this thing.
Has Dogmann gone to bed and put you on duty?
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@WhyBe
The P910 was manufactured by SE, their low end phones at the time were manufactured by FlexTronics. True that the X1 will be thought of as an SE, even the chaps at HTC service center do not know the X1 is a HTC. But what I meant is give credit where it is due. SE have'nt done crap with regards to the low level implementation of X1 hardware.
Not everyone base mindlessly believe whats written on the net. Most of us base our opinions on what we experience and not make baseless statements while using tech thats over 3 years old. Why dont you take a moment of your time, which you spend arguing here, and read some posts on WM forums regarding the Diamond.
the MSM7201A has problem with the GPU implementation. This I gather from using a Diamond as well as from people who use the Diamond, if you even bothered to visit WM based forums you'd know this. ANd before you go on about the MSM7200A is different from the MSM7201A thats only with the video decoding bit and not with the OpenGL implememtnation or 3D hardware implementation. Qualcomm have removed any references to 3D hardware on the MSM7200 series of chipset as well. Just because you are quite ignorant when it comes to WM handset do not assume that the other members posting here are as ignorant as you are.
About the RAM, I suppose you are partly blind as well as being ignorant, I have mentioned in several posts why they needed 256MB RAM, its because off the apps associated with the panel, I doubt BengalBoys unit had fully functional panel with all of SE's intended apps.
There are several task switchers as well as Today screen plugins that allow you to switch tasks with even a single press. I have mentioned them in my earlier posts and I tire of repeating what I post, if you are interested search for them, or use google as normal people do.
THe hardware offered by Samsung make sup for the stupid childish today screen plugin they have.
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WhyBe
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@aksd
Touchy, touchy !!? 
You rarely show evidence to support your "expertise"
On 2008-06-22 16:01:28, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe
...the MSM7201A has problem with the GPU implementation. This I gather from using a Diamond as well as from people who use the Diamond, if you even bothered to visit WM based forums you'd know this....
....Just because you are quite ignorant when it comes to WM handset do not assume that the other members posting here are as ignorant as you are.
Would you care to enlighten everyone here on the MSM72xx GPU implementation problem and how it affects the X1?
About the RAM, I suppose you are partly blind as well as being ignorant, I have mentioned in several posts why they needed 256MB RAM, its because of the apps associated with the panel, I doubt BengalBoys unit had fully functional panel with all of SE's intended apps.
BengalBoy only has the 128MB unit right now. And it is running smoothly (graphics and all). He's getting the 256MB shortly. Here's what he specualtes the additional 128MB of RAM was for. BengalBoy wrote: I really think that the device is moving up to the 256mb range to improve speed and support of very RAM intensive operations such as playback of streaming video.... see above... TV services are popping up on carriers and a device that is gonna be able to connect, download, and display this data seemlessly while other features such as phone, bluetooth, email, etc... are running in the background is gonna require additional RAM. Basically, I think that by next year all Windows Mobile Devices are gonna start carrying a 256mb RAM chip on-board so carriers can sell their new Multi-Media services to the public.
There are several task switchers as well as Today screen plugins that allow you to switch tasks with even a single press. I have mentioned them in my earlier posts and I tire of repeating what I post, if you are interested search for them, or use google as normal people do.
Hmm, PointUI and sbpmobile
So you can't come up with any huh? I said "two-press" app switching...anywhere to anywhere.
The hardware offered by Samsung makes up for the stupid childish today screen plugin they have.
This sentiment doesn't cut it in an iPhone world... There's no more half - @ssing allowed.
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darknoob
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Guys,
tell me what do you want to know about X1 I -may- try it tomorrow ( |
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You really do know how to rile someone up dont you .
I'm more of an expert than you at least , Never called myself an expert, but from what I can see most persons using WM seem to agree with me, thats because I use the tech day to day, not just an arm-chair commentor. I also program on the platform and do have connection with the actual indsutry. You dont see me posting on something I'm not sure of so strongly now do you.
ANyway, regarding the MSM72 series chipset. It seems that when OpenGL tests we conducted on the Diamond it supported only 1.0. Also during gameplay when the touch screen was touched it slowed down the game considerably like on the TyTn II, some people reported that VGA @ 30fps played flawlessly and soem people mentioned dropped frames, I do not have the kbps it was encoded at but they were ususally avi files. Also the low level programmer on xda-dev have mentioned that after analyzing the drivers the implementation of the drivers on the Diamond are similar to that on the LG KS20 which is'nt fully hardware accelerated. There are certain apps used to check hardware acceleration and when used on the diamond still show that the 3D acceleration is mostly software based. Anything more required old chap ?
I have mentioned the apps before, one of them is dyanmo 2 for PPC. It gives you similar panels to the SE panels except its a task switcher, the panels are only of running apps. Very cool.
Next you have another task switch I forget its name, I posted it earlier. Then you have Point UI, in 3 clicks you can access a really cool task manager. For a diamond like plugin you can check out www.throttlelauncher.com and theres another diamond type plugin available, but I forget its name, its superior to throttle launcher I've heard but I have'nt used it. The you've got SPB Mobile Shell you can do anythign there with 2 clicks, task Man, Multimedia, etc. its all about how you set up the app. Then theres ultimate launcher, a cube for the today screen, the entire tday screen is converted into a cube and you can virtual access anything on your PPC just from the today screen. Then there RLTOday, again you can utilise the today screen and make it finger friendly, then theres the LG today plugin like on the KS20, and the Gsmart today plugin, very cool but works only partly. Lots of task switchers are available and sice I only use SPB I'm not too familiar with them.
A while ago when I set up my phone to be completely finger friendly, I wanted to take a video and show you that WM phones tday have decent finger friendly apps and not dependant on half arsed implememtnations from SE, but sadly I went a bit too far and messed up my registry. The next time I get some time to do will surely send you a video. If you've got the time, which I suppose you do head on over to xda and check it out.
None of the today plugins or apps cut it in a iPhone world , the real competition the iPhone will get is from WM7 and Android. Stop thinking that the panels are a miracle, its just palin fancy. Like I mentioned before, you're making a corolla look like a Merc, still a corolla underneath .
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-22 17:30:45, aksd wrote:
You really do know how to rile someone up dont you .
ANyway, regarding the MSM72 series chipset. It seems that when OpenGL tests we conducted on the Diamond it supported only 1.0. Also during gameplay when the touch screen was touched it slowed down the game considerably like on the TyTn II, some people reported that VGA @ 30fps played flawlessly and soem people mentioned dropped frames, I do not have the kbps it was encoded at but they were ususally avi files. Also the low level programmer on xda-dev have mentioned that after analyzing the drivers the implementation of the drivers on the Diamond are similar to that on the LG KS20 which is'nt fully hardware accelerated. There are certain apps used to check hardware acceleration and when used on the diamond still show that the 3D acceleration is mostly software based. Anything more required old chap ?
How does any of this relate to X1 ? Let me guess, because HTC is the OEM, SE is going to automatically inherit all of HTC's software/driver/design flaws ? Suppose, for a moment, that HTC is indeed only manufacturing the X1 and is doing everything else.
...None of the today plugins or apps cut it in a iPhone world , the real competition the iPhone will get is from WM7 and Android. Stop thinking that the panels are a miracle, its just palin fancy. Like I mentioned before, you're making a corolla look like a Merc, still a corolla underneath .
I'm actually looking foward to a complete suite of apps from --not just their Xpanel task launcher. If Xpanels were all were adding to the hardware, then they would be doing only a little better than the Samsung i900  I'm very intersted in the complete package of the X1...software and hardware. Their entire suite of apps. I'm anxious to see what the new SMS features has added to the latest ROM update (I text alot). BB say's they are new to any WM device.
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