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dr.W
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On 2008-06-20 22:19:02, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
Oh dear oh dear,
Slimmer sexier with a price to be paid in a less functional keyboard. It's a smart phone it isn't meant to or needs to be sexy it's performance is what counts. Not impressing people with it's looks just how shallow are you?
I told you i don't want need or like Touchscreens so whilst that may be good for you it isn't for me.
The E90 has a 800x352 but is 4" so is larger than the X1's.
Has faster CPU and you missed more Ram but because it needs it that's why. We will see when it launches just how it performs and if it faster or not than the E90.
You are wrong about the E90 only playing 24fps H.264 as all my media is converted @25fps and all plays fine and we will have to wait and see if the X1 does indeed play it or not.
Has a grown mans OS and may have an update to WM7 no one knows that for sure do they.
As opposed to the worlds best selling OS used by more people in more devices than WM by quite some margin.
More efficient battery use based on what? best time estimates from the manufacturer before the product is even finished counts for nothing I'm afraid. The E90 has 1500aMh Li-Polymer battery that is proven to give great battery life the X1's is unproven so again lets wait and see shall we.
Sorry but none of those impress me in the slightest as why i should wait another 4-5 months and upgrade to a device that is not even it's equal.
As sorry but the X1's keyboard is not as good and neither is the screen as large or as good as it's a touchscreen and that's just the price you pay for a touchscreen I'm afraid.
The Multimedia support is also better on the E90 and i much prefer S60 to WM and yes i have tried WM to reach my decision.
But if it's good for you get it but i won't.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-06-20 21:19 ]
First, how do you justify telling people to withhold judgment on the X1's battery, saying that though it is the same size as the E90's it may not be as good, but you come right out and say the keyboard is not as good-have you used the keyboard? Also, do you know the screen won't be as good as the E90's? True touchscreens are usually not as bright as non-touchscreens, but do we know for a fact that this will be the case with the X1? Unless you've used a final production version you are really just guessing here. Again, with multimedia support you are making blanket statements about platforms without ever having used the X1, you really don't know how it will perform in a multimedia capacity.
Here are two important areas in which the X1 is superior to the E90:
1 Its smaller and thinner, so easier to use.
2. It's 3G services will work in the US, where I live.
I'm not saying the E90 is not a great phone, if Nokia made a slimmer and shorter version of it with US 3G I would be tempted to buy it. I like touchscreens, they make navigating faster and easier, but that's personal preference.
On a side note, I just don't understand why you get so angry, or at least adopt an angry tone, about something as ultimately trivial as cell phones. You take people to task for making statements they can't substantiate but you are just as guilty yourself. What's the deal? | |
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Humble
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lol you lot give me joke, I do like both devices, tbh, i must also admit that I had in my possesion s e90 for aboutan hour (my friends), all i can rember that this was a power house device, i was watching David Attenborough it was very clear
and FAST!!! every time i clicked a button it responded very quickly yes it was a little big but liked it alot,
btw when you write a reply on the forum does your cursor jump to another line randomly
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@Whybe
Now you are starting to quote me as saying what you say listen you believe what you want and we will see when it arrives how it performs. I don't hate it it just don't love the X1 or want one if you do fine get one.
@Dr W
I didn't claim anything of the sort about the battery and i keep saying lets wait and see how it performs. It is Whybe that suddenly thinks WM with all the panels running is going to use less battery not me. But i can count how many keys the X1 has and see how spaced they are as well as the comments from people saying it lacks tactile feed back and travel and that the top row are to close to the screen to be comfortable. Now compare that with my 57 keys nicely spaced and with great tactile feedback and that's how and why i say the X1's is inferior.
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WhyBe
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@Dogmann
Is there any chance that after holding an X1 in your hand and using it for awhile, that you would consider getting one? |
VinnyP!
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Please tell me one thing that the X1 offers that is better than my year old E90 has got? go on then just one and not the touchscreen as i don't won't one or need one.
A real monty Python moment. Tell me what the X1 has got that the E90 hasn't except not any of the things that the X1 has the E90 hasn't. Touch screens are good things for most users including me. WM has a wider set of better applications. The X1 has better battery life in a smaller package |
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@WhyBe
Your loyalty is admirable it must be said. You must however understand that a lot of us who are unhappy with SE are former, and to a certain degree still are, supporters of SE. Hammering SE on their lack of innovation is telling them to do something about the current state of their lacklustre products.
I've been with SE since the Ericsson days (for approximately 10 years now) and I know what Ericsson is capable of. I also know what SE is capable of, I've owned the T610, K700 and F500. Now the only SE I have is the still superb P910i- the best SE I've ever owned- and is still in perfect working condition after three years. SE used to give us the best products that is why some of us are complaining when they fail miserably when compared to the likes of Nokia. Nokia was no match for SE before they released the N95, that was the turning point right there and ever since SE can't seem to be able to react to that moment.
I now use a Motorola V8 as my main line and the P910i as my business line. The V8 is my first non Ericsson/Sony Ericsson phone ever. The E90 was almost my first ever non E/SE phone but I found it big when I tested it. It must be said that it was one hell of a phone when I played with it and it really is a shame that an old phone like that is being compared to the yet to be released X1. I was set on getting the X1 despite not liking the Windows OS on it but the news that it was pushed back made me rethink my decision. Personally, I would love a UIQ version of the same phone with improved specs. Now that I would buy in a second provided it is stable of course
What some of us are saying is that SE can do better than this, it has for 5 and a half years. It does look like they're trying because certain things are changing, the Xperia brand promises great things and the first product from that line isn't necessarily bad but slow in release, the C905 is a nice product though it lacks a few features (nothing's perfect afterall) but overall it shows the direction SE is headed.
The mistake you and some members are making is to think that we want SE to fail, on the contrary we want what SE has always given us- Top specced products that are stable and brilliant to use. For me SE is underperforming hence people have lost faith in the brand even their market share has dwindled and they're number 5 behind LG.
I've waiting for a smartphone that would replace my P910i but there isn't any at this stage. The E90 was the one but the size. So, here's hoping that SE announces a high end UIQ smartphone within the next month or I guess I'm left with Nokia's next smartphone or even Motorola. I'm not the least bit interested in either LG or its cousin Samsung, they are really not and never will be products I'd consider in mobile phones.
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WhyBe
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@EMS06
Well stated. You and I have one thing in common: we own the p910 and believe  "fell off" after that. I agree that maybe are not making the greatest decisions in product design, but, it seems like the X1 is a return to the old p910 school of thought.
I don't know if is having managment problems or just hired the wrong leaders, but now the G702 and Paris have been cancelled. Maybe that's good. Perhaps they will be re-introduced properly on another newer hardware platform?
Disliking 's direction is one thing, but constantly slamming an unreleased device based on incorrect rumours is hating. There has been no delay, no panel problems nor proof of either. The video playback even outperforms the e90 and Dogmann doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it...that's hating 
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Dogmann
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@Whybe
Which bit of i don't like touch screens, i don't like WM and i don't like the X1's keyboard can you just not understand it is just not a device for me. If it is for you great buy it but even if you send me one for free it is just not my type of device please try and understand that simple fact.
As for that clip proving the X1 is better than the E90 oh please be serious that's a joke. As for the other rumors as you call them please explain how other peoples comments that have a unit are not valid but all BengleBoy says is as he only compliments the X1 just how does that work then?
Again i don't hate the X1 i just don't love it like you or make ridiculous statements about how brilliant it is going to be when you or anyone else just can't know all you can do is hope and wish it is.
@VinnyP!
What are you talking about a touch screen may be best for you but NOT FOR ME and others it isn't.
WM is better and has more applications? well that's really great if you like WM but i don't and the it's the quality of the apps as well as the quantity. S60 has all the apps i or most people need and it's the most successful and used OS not WM.
Again why has the X1 got better battery life? this is totally unproven as is based on estimated time and not based on actual use or a finished product. So at this time no one knows i never claimed the E90's was better WhyBe has claimed the X1's is and he or you or anyone else just can know this yet. So please be realistic and don't try and claim things i have said that i haven't or things about the X1 that no one yet knows.
That's it for me in this thread i will wait till the X1's released and see what it actually delivers and how well it works. Until then all this speculation is just pointless.
Marc
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WhyBe
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The iPhone isn't for me. It lacks a keyboard, video recording and it isn't fully featured. I think I'll go hang around some iPhone forums to let them know exactly how I feel. |
tonyitalian
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can anyone pls tell me when this will be available?? pleaseeeeeeeee
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On 2008-06-20 20:57:10, Dogmann wrote:
Please tell me one thing that the X1 offers that is better than my year old E90 has got? go on then just one and not the touchscreen as i don't won't one or need one.
I can name you at least 3 things off the bat on X1 that your sacred almighty E90 just can't touch
1. HSUPA
2. Touchscreen
3. Aesthetics
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@Mode
Very good i said besides a touch screen as for me that really is not important it's even in the quote you used.
The fact it's feature is important for you just doesn't make it so for me.
Looks are a personal thing and i prefer the look and styling of my E90 by far and the keyboard to. Now if you prefer the X1 fine buy it.
Well done HSUPA is the one and only thing but seeing as i don't upload to a website and only really send E-Mail HSUPA is totally pointless and unnecessary. I wonder just how many will really use it and just how needed is for most users.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-21 23:54:29, tonyitalian wrote:
can anyone pls tell me when this will be available?? pleaseeeeeeeee
@tonyitalian
I'm guessing Sept/Oct. There has been no official announcement except this right here. And this also.
@Dogmann
Don't forget CPU speed, memory, and memory expandability. And also speedy program switching--everything two presses away from anywhere.
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On 2008-06-22 00:41:19, Dogmann wrote:
@Mode
I wonder just how many will really use it and just how needed is for most users.
Marc
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It is just such 'doubtful' attitude that caused SE to fall behind like when they thought HSDPA would not make a strong impact and omitted it from most of their phones till just recently. Trust me, I found the need for fast and reliable uploading as soon as I started using 3G and, it will find its importance and will be a start for SE to be a pioneer in at least this technology. I thought you didn't 'hate' SE and would be happy that they're beginning somewhere. You shouldn't be too harsh and bitter just because it has presented specs that isn't your thing like the touchscreen I mentioned. I mentioned it not to tailor to your needs but mine, just like aesthetics.
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Agree with you on a few points. HSUPA is a mus, but remember this is'nt SE's doing its the Qualcomm chipset which supports it and the X1 is basically nothing but a HTC in SE clothing, wheather anybody would like to accept it or not is immaterial it is what it is.
@WhyBe
The CPU speed hardly influences it much, the OMAP2420 clocked at 350Mhz is more efficent than the MSM7200A due to excellent intergration between the processor and the GPU, a lot of the CPU load is taken by the PowerVR GPU. On the MSM7200A the 3D implementation is sub standard and most of the load is taken by the CPU.
To tell you the truth the E90 and the X1 might just have the same amount of RAM at bootup about 80-90MB. But the difference is that the X1 would already have the mediaplayer and other utilities loaded up on the RAM while the E90 wont. Remember all we are doing is speculating at this moment. You really cant tell which will have more free mem till the final product is out. Just because it says 256MB on paper does'nt mean the user gets more mem. A diamond with 19MB RAM has less free RAM at boot than my TyTn II with 128.
The two press thing is'nt just X1 specific, you can make any WM phone behave similarly, so many today plugins to choose from, your phone can look totally different every day if you please  .
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