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Humble
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I think Dogmann makes a very valid point, The initial specs of 128 meg was increased for some reason I am not sure of the exact details,
When is the European release day. I am unsure whether the news of the delay has any fruition, is it relating to a first geographic region release or otherwise?
The Touch diamond memory is partioned into 128MB+64MB blocks. Is the latter half utilised for the GPU section of the CPU analogous to what some motherboards do when allocating memory to the on board graphical subsystem
would the X1 incorporate this technique?
I have many questions, the reduction algorithm for H264 codec is very efficient, the best apparently but the H265 codec is being devised at the moment, so have they found a even better reduction algoritm with a better prediction table?
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WhyBe
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I don't see why BengalBoy would be lying about the 128MB. He has the unit in his possesion. I think all of these rumours and theories about delays and panel bugs were garbage in the first place 
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aksd
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Who said BengalBoy was lying? What we are saying is that the unit BengalBoy has is not the final one, the final WILL consume more RAM as persons such as yourself want some gimmicky apps with a little non sensical eyecandy thrown in  . Of course the panels are garbage so is the touch plugin. Its like putting a modyfying your corolla to look like a merc, under the hood its still a corolla. But if it makes you feel good that your car looks like a corolla then thats upto you, but dont ever think that just because it looks like one it is one 
THe RAM was increased to make sure these gimmicky apps run well at boot up, simple. They did'nt icnrease the RAM so we cna have 150MB RAM at bootup thats just nonsensical. If they did'nt need 256MB RAM they would'nt have put it in, simple. If they could have made do with 192 MB they would have done so. just because the Touch Pro has 288MB RAM does'nt mean it will have more free RAM at boot.
I hope this is clear to you.
@Humble
The 64MB for graphics was a mistake earlier on, I think its just 192MB RAM no seperate 64MB, the graphics on the DIamond are nothing to shout about either  , I dont suppose it would need 64MB RAM to do what its doing. I think the oringial test phones had 128 similar to the X1
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
What you really think that BengleBoy is the only with with a unit that is reporting on it's performance and the new Rom updates please be serious that's just ridiculous and totally unbelievable even coming from you.
Please tell me one thing that the X1 offers that is better than my year old E90 has got? go on then just one and not the touchscreen as i don't won't one or need one.
As i can guarantee you the X1 just does not appeal to me at all as i am not a touchscreen fan and the keyboard is not good enough for my needs either. I also am not a fan of WM or for that matter trust SE to deliver a product as promised. In fact after my P910 i can't remember one device SE has delivered that worked as it should or had the spec i expect in this day and age. Now if your requirements are lower and met fair enough but not mine are not.
So unlike you and the other SE fans i will be giving the X1 a very wide berth and wouldn't take one even if it was free on upgrade. But yet again lets wait another 4-5 months and see what it delivers before you get to excited shall we. As i have a feeling it isn't going to be anywhere near as brilliant or class leading as you seem to think it will be.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-20 20:57:10, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
What you really think that BengleBoy is the only with with a unit that is reporting on it's performance and the new Rom updates please be serious that's just ridiculous and totally unbelievable even coming from you.
Please tell me one thing that the X1 offers that is better than my year old E90 has got? go on then just one and not the touchscreen as i don't won't one or need one.
As i can guarantee you the X1 just does not appeal to me at all as i am not a touchscreen fan and the keyboard is not good enough for my needs either. I also am not a fan of WM or for that matter trust SE to deliver a product as promised. In fact after my P910 i can't remember one device SE has delivered that worked as it should or had the spec i expect in this day and age. Now if your requirements are lower and met fair enough but not mine are not.
So unlike you and the other SE fans i will be giving the X1 a very wide berth and wouldn't take one even if it was free on upgrade. But yet again lets wait another 4-5 months and see what it delivers before you get to excited shall we. As i have a feeling it isn't going to be anywhere near as brilliant or class leading as you seem to think it will be.
@Dogmann
I feel your pain. You are struggling with your love of the X1. We all love it. You certainly hang around here alot...why don't you just give in and admit your lust for it as we all have. It will be less painful to give up your e90 now while it is still held in high regards. Because, come October, when the SE_X1 is released, you will see the e90 for the pocket tanning bed that it is--and the breakup will be all the more painful.
We're all routing for you Dogmann in your time of trial. Come out of the X1 closet. We'll still luv ya' |
Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Instead of trying to be a smart alex or funny both at which you are failing miserably.
Go on please try and tell me what the X1 is better at than my E90 that i am using currently? Go on please anything sensible or is there really nothing after all.
Marc
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Dups!
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@Dogmann
He can't and he won't because aside from the touchscreen there isn't one thing that the X1 is better at when compared to the E90. I've said this before and will say it again, aince late 2006 SE has and still is playing catch up to Nokia.
This truly is sad for a company that was once so far ahead of any other cellphone manufacturer out there.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-20 21:26:03, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
Instead of trying to be a smart alex or funny both at which you are failing miserably.
Go on please try and tell me what the X1 is better at than my E90 that i am using currently? Go on please anything sensible or is there really nothing after all.
Smaller, sexier
Touchscreen (800x480)
more RAM, more storage capability (sdhc to 32gb)
faster CPU
Can really play h.264 VGA @ 30fps (not 24fps)
Has a grown man's OS (WM7's coming too! )
more efficient battery usage
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Tigon
Joined: Jul 18, 2004
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@dogmann
check out this vid, you will see something at 0:41 into the video that should be
enough to make you think twice. 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1o0BhMXyiEE |
WhyBe
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I don't know what language that he was speaking (Italian?), but, I caught "inferiori" then it was stage right for the e90 |
Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Oh dear oh dear,
Slimmer sexier with a price to be paid in a less functional keyboard. It's a smart phone it isn't meant to or needs to be sexy it's performance is what counts. Not impressing people with it's looks just how shallow are you?
I told you i don't want need or like Touchscreens so whilst that may be good for you it isn't for me.
The E90 has a 800x352 but is 4" so is larger than the X1's.
Has faster CPU and you missed more Ram but because it needs it that's why. We will see when it launches just how it performs and if it faster or not than the E90.
You are wrong about the E90 only playing 24fps H.264 as all my media is converted @25fps and all plays fine and we will have to wait and see if the X1 does indeed play it or not.
Has a grown mans OS and may have an update to WM7 no one knows that for sure do they.
As opposed to the worlds best selling OS used by more people in more devices than WM by quite some margin.
More efficient battery use based on what? best time estimates from the manufacturer before the product is even finished counts for nothing I'm afraid. The E90 has 1500aMh Li-Polymer battery that is proven to give great battery life the X1's is unproven so again lets wait and see shall we.
Sorry but none of those impress me in the slightest as why i should wait another 4-5 months and upgrade to a device that is not even it's equal.
As sorry but the X1's keyboard is not as good and neither is the screen as large or as good as it's a touchscreen and that's just the price you pay for a touchscreen I'm afraid.
The Multimedia support is also better on the E90 and i much prefer S60 to WM and yes i have tried WM to reach my decision.
But if it's good for you get it but i won't.
Marc
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Tigon
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lol it's in spanish, the x1 will be a great device no doubt about that especially with touchflo, i did state so a while back that the orientation button will act as the touchflo activation key, more info on the validty of that claim soon.
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WhyBe
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@Tigon:
Thanks for the video link.
What would a "TouchFlo" key do?
@Dogmann
You stated yourself that your e90 doesn't play 30fps h.264 VGA. Well, the X1 does. I gave you the link a few posts back on the last page. Here it is again.
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Dogmann
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@Whybe
Oh come on you can't really be serious just what do you expect any manufacturer to say about a rivals device then get real. Well i sure hope for those that get one they improve the speed from that video as boy is it slow to react. I went and made a cup of tea while it booted up as even when it opened the fist panel it was still not usable with the spinning Windows timer.
@tigon
No it hasn't changed my mind in the slightest it's far to slow and keyboard is a big disappointment it has far to much space wasted and i prefer performance over looks. If you or anyone else just wants something that's just pretty go for it. Personally will take function and performance over looks any day.
Listen no one says you have to like or want a E90 it's not a device for everyone but i will happily take it's extra size and weight for a 4" screen and 57 key keyboard with an extra 8 shortcuts. It runs Tom Tom Seven Push E-Mail and has one of it not the best browsers of any device, it plays all my Films and TV shows perfectly on it's 4" screen so far it is the best device i have owned and used.Oh and it boots in 27 seconds so sorry but the X1 just doesn't come close well not for me.
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WhyBe
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Dogmann, I'll bet you have on a tight shirt with a big capital 'H' on the chest...with a red cape blowing in the wind |
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