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aksd
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I very much doubt bengal boys SE X1 has all the preinstalled apps that will debut with the retail X1. Also what was the free RAM on bengalboys unit, anything less that 50 MB would make it quite pathetic at multitasking when comapred to current gen phones. SE will have a bit more eyecandy for use in the form of image viewers, mediaplayer etc.. and if the panel is auto loaded along with all apps such as media player, rss feeds, several types of today screens image viewer etc.. it would require a lot of RAM. Thats the case with the DIamond, all the apps on the today screen see to be loaded onto the RAM.
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d-southwest
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Here again a little preview video i found, here you can see that its much faster, but tha bad news is that tha site is dutch
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=2851#hfd5
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WhyBe
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Thanks for clearing that up rontysee. 
@aksd:
I will keep an eye on the BengalBoy thread for the remaining RAM (I'm assuming you're unable to access it?).
As far as Handango developing apps, I never said or alluded to them doing so. If people interpret my words or read between the lines incorrectly, I can't really control that beyond being clear and providing links  The main point though, is that software is being developed with the X1 specifically in mind. That's a good thing. Whether or not it's being developed by company A, or B, or someone's grandmother, is irrelevant at this point
I'm trusting  will do the right things regarding having sufficient RAM for the X1 program execution. Bumping from 128MB to 256MB is indication they are watching closely. What's a realistic amount of free RAM available for a WM device?
I also just saw the post on BB stating that the X1 does indeed have stereo speakers. WOW, how do they squeeze all of that into such a small package? I think Sony has magic elves that work for them  I don't know the value of stereo speakers on a unit so small (they must sound like crap), but if they're there, then so be it .
@Dogmann
Here is a link of the X1 playing an h.264 video VGA @ 30fps...and you say your e90 only plays h.264 at 24fps??? 
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d-southwest
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Thanks WhyBe for the links
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aksd
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With 192MB RAM on board on the Diamond you have 50MB free
With 128MB on board on the TyTn II you've got about 65MB free
It really depends how many apps are loaded onto the RAM due to the panel and how much RAM the panel consumes. Also WM6.1 is a bigger RAM hog than WM6. Plus VGA apps consume more RAM than QVGA apps. I'm assuming we should have 100MB free RAM at boot on the X1 which is sufficent.
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WhyBe
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Thanks aksd:
So what's the typical WM program's RAM consumption? I know it varies, but are we talking approximately 1, 2, 5, or 10MB? |
aksd
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It really depends.
But a 1MB application on a QVGA device if written in native should consume about 2-3MB on a VGA device due to the more information to be processed.
It really depends, I just checked playing Music on coreplayer on the TyTn II consumes 6MB RAM. And I imagine it should be a wee bit more on a VGA screen, 8-10MB.
Some apps will hardly take a few hundred kb of RAM, so it really depends on the apps you are running, with about 60MB of free RAM I can open quite a few applications > 10 actually, and nobody needs so many apps open at the same time now do they .
More RAM actually benefits in other ways, part of the RAM I've used to enlarge the caches, that makes the phone faster as more information maybe cached and produced on demand rather than reloading everything. Part of my RAM has been converted into a RAM disk for temporary internet files. So starting out at about 60MB I've got 45MB free, which is more than enough for basic day to day running.
I hope this answers your questions.
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WhyBe
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Yes, thanks, it does aksd |
Humble
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Looks like what I was talking about is happening ........HTC are going to release a device based probably based on next gen platform THIS YEAR Q4!!(speculation hmmmm) what do you think windows mobile 7 2009 Q1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told you so
http://phonereport.info/2008/[....]d-q4-windows-mobile-7-q1-2009/
hmmmm i wonder what this device is going to be running android lol
msm7850 perhaps
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-20 14:32:50, Humble wrote:
Looks like what I was talking about is happening ........HTC are going to release a device based probably based on next gen platform THIS YEAR Q4!!(speculation hmmmm) what do you think windows mobile 7 2009 Q1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i told you so
http://phonereport.info/2008/[....]d-q4-windows-mobile-7-q1-2009/
hmmmm i wonder what this device is going to be running android lol
msm7850 perhaps
I think you're reading too much into that article. At best, something will be announced at the end of this year, not released. HTC aren't going to cannibalize their Touch Pro and Diamond sales so soon. It will be interesting to see how both the Android and WM7 devices turn out, though.
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Humble
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I may just hold out till December and see whats HTC have under their sleeves, I agree with you Whybe, It would seem a Tad illogical moments after releasing Touch Diamond/ Pro to release something straight away.....We'll just have to wait and see, But looks like the wheels turning alittle faster, Maybe They need to Have a head start on other Manufacturers,
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WhyBe
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@aksd
I asked BengalBoy about his RAM after boot and he says 33.37MB remaining after boot. Which, at first, seemed a little discouraging until he noted that he was still using a 128MB X1  Wow, does he really have a 128MB unit with panels running that smoothly?  So much for the theory about the additional RAM (256MB total) being added to get the panels working properly (or whatever that theory was ). Whose theory was that, anyways?
BB also stated that he will be getting a commercial unit in a week or so. He'll have more info on the apps coming in a few days.
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I hope you still have the box to your e90 so you can sell it on eBay. You should still be able to fetch a nice amount for it before the X1 hits the market. |
aksd
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On 2008-06-20 19:31:51, WhyBe wrote:
@aksd
I asked BengalBoy about his RAM after boot and he says 33.37MB remaining after boot. Which, at first, seemed a little discouraging until he noted that he was still using a 128MB X1 Wow, does he really have a 128MB unit with panels running that smoothly? So much for the theory about the additional RAM (256MB total) being added to get the panels working properly (or whatever that theory was ). Whose theory was that, anyways?
BB also stated that he will be getting a commercial unit in a week or so. He'll have more info on the apps coming in a few days.
@Dogmann
I hope you still have the box to your e90 so you can sell it on eBay. You should still be able to fetch a nice amount for it before the X1 hits the market.
You know why they've increased the RAM , that because the panels are just not panels, the Bengal Boy has the first build which did not inergrate the apps into the panels, more like show pieces with most of the apps bieng non functional. After intergration and loading up of all the panel apps in the final version I'm sure will take a whole lot more RAM upto 2 times more in fact than the stand alone panels. The panels are going to replicate the Touch DIamonds today screen plugin, except its not a plugin but an app. But it will do the same thing. And I doubt you'd have more than 80MB free RAM in the commercial product either, so lets not get ahead of ourselves now shall we . What users fail to understand is that the RAM is not being increased for the user in the new gen phones but for the new plugins etc.. 50-80MB RAM on boot is more than enough for heavy usage. More the better though, you actually might see a decrease in RAM with WM7 as all these gimmicky apps such as the panels and the Diamonds plugin wont be necessary.
The panels are not all that dependant on RAM either to run faster, either it has enough to run or it does'nt, any excess does not affect panel performance but will effect other application performance. Its the graphics and CPU that will effect panel performance. Optimization is a must.
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Dogmann
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If you really think I'm going to sell my E90 for an X1 you are even more deluded than i thought.
OK genius if the panels run so well on 128mb Ram and it has 33.3mb of Ram on boot up something doesn't add up does it? So why would SE delay it and add the extra Ram for the FUN? of it or to ruin there chance of a successful launch?
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-20 19:54:49, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
If you really think I'm going to sell my E90 for an X1 you are even more deluded than i thought.
OK genius if the panels run so well on 128mb Ram and it has 33.3mb of Ram on boot up something doesn't add up does it? So why would SE delay it and add the extra Ram for the FUN? of it or to ruin there chance of a successful launch?
Good questions. I don't know the answers--perhaps BengalBoy does.
However, I don't recall ever delaying the X1? That obviously was a figment of somebody's imagination . first said 2nd half of 2008, then they said 4Q of 2008, and now it appears to be mid-October for France. Where's the delay? It's on schedule.
I figured you would give in to the X1 sooner or later. Seeing as how the e90 will soon be 2nd rate. You're putting up a good fight though
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