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C905
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@ Dogmann
I don't know much about encoding, but does H.264 30fps make a noticeably difference? |
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QVGA
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On 2008-06-17 21:46:30, C905 wrote:
@ Dogmann
I don't know much about encoding, but does H.264 30fps make a noticeably difference?
on a phone, i doubt it will.
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Yakkaimono
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Why not just test it on the touch diamond somebody on esato has one I think. |
norti
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X1 preview: http://www.boygeniusreport.co[....]ony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review/
The device is really high-end, except for the keyboard (at least for BGR  ) |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-17 21:53:28, Yakkaimono wrote:
Why not just test it on the touch diamond somebody on esato has one I think.
Aaah...a voice of reason. |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-17 21:34:59, Dogmann wrote:
Hi WhybE
Sorry but i don't accept what Chombos is saying as it is not VGA H.264 as he claims. Which is why if you read many of threads here people need something like Coreplayer to play H.264 properly and in Sync and in VGA.
So, what's wrong with that?
Well done, everyone knows the E90 isn't small but if size is so important to buy a nice looking thin device and pay the price in cut down abilities. But as i never put any phone in a pocket but in a nice leather case that goes on my waist the weight isn't a problem for a big strong man like myself after all it's only 210gms not pounds.
As i have said before i will happily take the larger size and weight for a 4" screen and 57 key keyboard as opposed to saving a little and getting a cut down keyboard instead. Plus of course all the other things my E90 does that the X1 can't and will of done for so long before we even see the X1 released never mind if it will be stable or not.
That's fair. All of us have different criteria for choosing a phone. I, for one, like them feature packed, small, with a smart, attractive design. I actually considered and wanted the e90 until I became aware of the X1 and p5i. The only thing that kept me from buying the e90 was it's size, lack of touchscreen and it couldn't do HSDPA in the U.S.
The fact is, there is still no indication that X1 doesn't play H.264 VGA @ 30fps. I don't think the e90 can encode it realtime either.  |
Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Well if you had bothered reading about the link i gave you about the E90 you would realise it can and does both record and play H.264 @up to 30fps. As do the other OMAP 2420 powered devices and this is one of the things that separates these devices from the rest.
As to what's wrong with having to buy another player to compliment the not good enough one in the device well despite it costing you extra for functionality that i already have so don't need it not a lot.
Also i don't know if you noticed some one has posted some answers from SE in the C905 thread and he says the X1 is due Q4 2008. So that makes it October to December now, also the P5 has not been announced although there may be some announcement about UIQ next week but some are saying it has been cancelled.
@QVGA and all
Again i have tried various different formats on the E90 and can say that there is indeed a difference between 3gp, H.263 and H.264. Also i don't encode my Films or TV shows @30fps but at 25fps and despite what many of you think the quality is nothing short of stunning and extremely watchable on a 4" screen. It is completely different to trying to watch the same on 2-2.8" screens. It really is not comparable at all and why i will find it very hard to go back to a small screened device again even 2.8" is to small for me now and i wouldn't dream of using a 2.2" screen again ever.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-17 23:22:04, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
Well if you had bothered reading about the link i gave you about the E90 you would realise it can and does both record and play H.264 @up to 30fps....
You talking about that link you provided many pages ago? I looked at that, back then, and couldn't find anything indicating h.264 encode @ 30fps or 24fps. |
tonyitalian
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does anyone know the latest approximate availability date for the xperia x1??
ive been waiting too long now, and think i mite get the samsung i900 omnia, wat do u say?? or is the xperia worth the wait.........but wen is it coming??
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Dogmann
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Hi WhyBe
Well i really can't understand how you missed it as this quote is taken from the first page.
"The E90 records video clips in MPEG-4 format with AAC audio (48 kHz mono). Max supported quality is VGA (640x480 pixels), 30 frames per second. Digital video stabilisation helps reduce unwanted vibrations. Video quality is superb - please see the sample clips below. They're clear and free of compression artefacts and the VGA resolution is only a tad smaller than standard PAL or NTSC resolution which means that you can watch your clips on a TV set or burn them onto a DVD disc without any noticeable quality loss. So the E90 can replace a basic camcorder, too (with the only exception being the lack of optical zoom). And if so then the 210 g it weighs really shouldn't be considered too much... I'm not sure if any Windows Mobile based device provides video recording quality that comes close to what the E90 offers."
Or this on the second page
" In video mode settings include: scene modes (auto or night), white balance modes (auto, sunny, cloudy, incandescent, fluorescent), colour tones (normal, sepia, black & white, vivid, negative), video quality (5 levels from low-res 3GPP to VGA 30 fps MPEG4), video stabilisation (on/off) and audio recording (on/mute)."
I hope that has cleared things up for you.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-18 00:02:04, Dogmann wrote:
Well i really can't understand how you missed it as this quote is taken from the first page.
"The E90 records video clips in MPEG-4 format with AAC audio (48 kHz mono). Max supported quality is VGA (640x480 pixels), 30 frames per second...
Those specs are exactly the same as X1. I just don't get what you're basing your complaint on.
mpeg4 does not automatically mean h.264. |
chombos1
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On 2008-06-17 21:34:59, Dogmann wrote:
@Chombos well how about here where you say
"no man.... not correct.
even my P990 - P1 - K850 - W910 - ..... can all play (((H.264 format))) QVGA@30fps... "
I think that's where you say it is indeed QVGA and not VGA is it not? So OK then why do so many people complain and have trouble paying VGA H.264 files and need to resort to using Coreplayer then? or H.263 or 3gp files instead then?
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Hi man.
If you look closely.
You see that the word QVGA@30fps is for the phone models i have mentioned.
And none of them has any kind of H264 encoding.
This was just an example to show you that playing and decoding a video is much less CPU hungry than encoding them.
And with the X1 having the capability to encode VGA@15fps H264
Then decoding a WVGA@30fps will not be a concern.
You can be 100% sure of that.
Good luck.
@whybe
Mpeg4 does not automatically mean H.264 but...
E90 records video in H.264 *.mp4 at VGA@30fps
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WhyBe
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@chombos1:
It doesn't make sense that it records that, but, can only play it back at 24fps. Not logical at all. 
None of us are even mentioning bitrates...one of the most important factors in compressed video quality.
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WhyBe
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Check out page 7 and page 8 of the BengalBoy review. He just installed a new ROM version into the X1.
Approaching iPhone-like speed and smoothness
ROM size is now 144MB (from 90MB)
Additional software (obviously ) - Games, FM Radio software, SMS enhancements
VGA apps run properly on the WVGA.
TouchFlo folder and files (not operational though???)
these are new things he initially noticed. Further review will be forthcoming Bookmark his site!
Here's a quote: ...Unlike BoyRetard, I take my time.... I post facts after extended use of a device... I don't put finger to keyboard and post shit to mislead or confuse people.... so, give me some time.... let me use the new ROM update for a few days and as I discover and use the new features I can give you a informed opinion instead of the shit BoyRetard spews from his site because he's always "talk'n outta his ass"
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Humble
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Its very interesting that the updated rom on the BengalBoys website states that it has a TouchFlo folder, So Maybe we have a choice between Panels and TouchFlo, I have a Hunch that the SEX1 this will be released around mid November, I definitely be keeping my eye on it , Sony Ericsson have to really look to the Gods for guidance and pray that the NEXT GEn are seriously delayed and come out late 2009, The next iteration for the Xperia will have to be the following year (2009) just to keep up, The Time frame seems too compressed for such a revision,
This is only speculation but Im going from pass experiences,
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