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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-16 23:09:16, Dogmann wrote:
The X1 is missing the all important H.264 for watching Video and whilst it may still offer MP4 3gp or H.263 the quality just isn't as good as H.264 I'm afraid not even close. Which is why it will be reasonable at best and not as good as some of the other devices.
@Dogmann
I have seen no specifications saying the X1 can't play H.264 @ 30 fps video. What makes you think it can't? The restriction listed in the whitepaper in encode only, not decode (playback).
I don't see what difference it makes anyway since there is no TV out and it only has a 3" screen. |
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
If you can't see what difference it makes it means you really don't understand anything we have been discussing about Video quality at all then doesn't it?
They only ever quote recording but it is decoding as well and as i have tried to point out to you both 3gp and H.263 although Mp4 are far inferior qualities. Which is why having H.264 is always highlighted as being the gold standard in mobile devices, as the results it gives are just so much better especially important on smaller screens.
A good example of this is mtube that is H.263 encode and YouTube that is H.264 the difference in quality is very noticeable.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-06-17 00:13:30, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
If you can't see what difference it makes it means you really don't understand anything we have been discussing about Video quality at all then doesn't it?
What, are you going to sit around the X1 with a bucket of popcorn and have movie night with your family? I'm saying whether its codec A or codec B, it's still a tiny 3" screen with no TV out. Why make a huge deal about whether it's h.264 or h.263 or mp4? It will be decent pocket video regardless.
They only ever quote recording but it is decoding as well
You're making an assumption that is likely very wrong. Video encoding is far, far more CPU intensive than decoding. So it is likely that X1 DOES support H.264 @ 30fps playback (decode)--just not recording (encode).
I am not debating the quality of the various formats. |
Guticb
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A bit of a topic change, but still X1 relevant.
I heard that the Xperia supports the 1700MHz spectrum, which is T-Mobile's 3G frequency. A few months after that, I heard that SE removed the 1700MHz support. 2 questions about it.
1) Did they really remove it?
2) If so, is there any chance T-Mobile USA will still get it. They (As well as I) need a phone that doesn't suck ass. >_> |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-17 00:55:26, Guticb wrote:
A bit of a topic change, but still X1 relevant.
I heard that the Xperia supports the 1700MHz spectrum, which is T-Mobile's 3G frequency. A few months after that, I heard that SE removed the 1700MHz support. 2 questions about it.
1) Did they really remove it?
2) If so, is there any chance T-Mobile USA will still get it. They (As well as I) need a phone that doesn't suck ass. >_>
Look here and download the whitepaper too. |
Guticb
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Thanks for the link.
Sucks that they really did scrap 1700MHz.... I REALLY wanted a T-mobile version with it. =/ |
chombos1
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On 2008-06-17 00:13:30, Dogmann wrote:
They only ever quote recording but it is decoding as well....
no man.... not correct.
even my P990 - P1 - K850 - W910 - ..... can all play (((H.264 format))) QVGA@30fps...
decoding a video is much less CPU hungry than Encoding a video...
So you and anyone else can be sure of the X1 capability to playback H.264 VGA(and WVGA)@30fps video.
but yes... unfortunatly X1 supports 15fps H.264 encoding.
regarding the quality: H.264 is far better than H.263 codecs. it's obvious in every resolution (unless the H.263 one has more bitrate than the H.264 one).
in VGA the loss of quality in H.263 encoding should be neglectable because of the resolution.
((who knows... maybe they add the H264 VGA@30fps encoding capability upon the release))
Tnx.
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WhyBe
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Thanks chombos1  |
p85w
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On 2008-06-16 23:22:09, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-06-16 23:08:07, p85w wrote:
"Think Sony UX computer, for those of you that have one or have used one. The sliding mechanism comes right ontop of the keys, and thus, the keys don’t travel a lot when pressed. They give little to no feedback despite "having a cool triangular design.""
How big do you think the X1 is? And, have you actually had one in your hand?
Ehh, they tested the phone soo yes I think they have had it in their hands, do´h... Why are you rosponding as if i wrote that??? I was just commenting it. |
Dogmann
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@Chombos
They can't just add it at release it's down to hardware not tweaking the software so that is just never going to happen even in yours and WhyBe's wildest dreams.
Also if you don't realise the huge difference between QVGA and VGA there really is very little point discussing this any further you carry on believing what ever makes you happy.
I am not the one that is trying to claim the X1 has great multimedia as quite obviously it doesn't and won't.
@WhyBe
Suddenly you've gone form saying how wonderful the 3.5" screen is to well it's not important which is just typical of an SE fan. Anything they don't have or support is always nothing important or special until SE has it an then suddenly it's the best thing ever. Freaking funny or what!!
Yet again stop trying to prove an as yet unreleased device is the best and wait till it's released and we can all judge then on what is delivered.
But so far i still can't see one thing that the X1 is going to be better at than my long released and in the market and being used E90. The only advantage it has is for those that want it is a touchscreen and not all of us do as many of us prefer a better, easier to read in all conditions screen instead.
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Humble
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What is so unsettling in the Smartphone (Research and Development) is the time to market new devices in the case of the X1 it is slightly older, Just the MSM7200 with hardware acceleration enabled by Qualcomm,S.E bought the license, Not sure if its a subsidy or a flat out payment (say 10 million US)
all these manufactures "big up" these phone, then release them next Epoch, By that time every one caught up, and gone one better lol
I have never owned an Apple product, due to the Itunes and copywright etc, But ironically for so short in the Phone market they are Light years ahead, The structural foundation of hardware and software is Top class,
btw the blackberry 9000 seem very promising,
I most admit I do like my eye candy and TAT are doing some beautiful GUI
absolutely ethereal, they working with the OMAP3,
COME ON HTC!!! PUT IN A MSM7850 in your revision of the TOUCH PRO and call it the XTREME, and release it lik NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
WhyBe
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On 2008-06-17 12:05:46, Dogmann wrote:
@Chombos
They can't just add it at release it's down to hardware not tweaking the software so that is just never going to happen even in yours and WhyBe's wildest dreams.
Also if you don't realise the huge difference between QVGA and VGA there really is very little point discussing this any further you carry on believing what ever makes you happy.
I am not the one that is trying to claim the X1 has great multimedia as quite obviously it doesn't and won't.
@WhyBe
Suddenly you've gone form saying how wonderful the 3.5" screen is to well it's not important which is just typical of an SE fan. Anything they don't have or support is always nothing important or special until SE has it an then suddenly it's the best thing ever. Freaking funny or what!!
Yet again stop trying to prove an as yet unreleased device is the best and wait till it's released and we can all judge then on what is delivered.
But so far i still can't see one thing that the X1 is going to be better at than my long released and in the market and being used E90. The only advantage it has is for those that want it is a touchscreen and not all of us do as many of us prefer a better, easier to read in all conditions screen instead.
@Dogmann
Geesh man, you're really spinning and misquoting TODAY!  
You were wrong about the h.264 decoding.
I love the WVGA screen, never said it wasn't important.
The e90 isn't pocket sized or sexy as X1
QVGA is not a factor for the X1i (only the X1a).
If the X1 decodes h.264 VGA @ 30fps, there's nothing for you to complain about.
I bet the e90 is a great phone...you can even stand under it when it rains. The X1 can't do that! 
@p85w--Sorry, I missed that.
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chombos1
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Hi dogman.
Did you read my post?... I doubt.
The point was. (in case you don't know)
P990 - P1 - ... All have the capability to playback H.264 @30fps. And none of them have the ability to record (encode) 30fps H.264
(real time H.264 encoding is very CPU intensive)
I was saying that decoding H.264 does not require all the hardware that is nessesary for encoding it.
(( and can you show me, where i compared QVGA and VGA resolutions?? ))
And regarding the wishful thinking: did you noticed that SE upgraded the RAM to 256MB?... So an upgrade in the hardware is not impossible.
Hehehe... I never thought that someday someone tell me that i don't know the difference between QVGA and VGA. After 4 years of working on graphic algorithms and image processing... ...
Let me ask you a question...
What was the point of creating H.264 when i can have better quality with an ancient cinepack codec?
The answer is that i will have a better quality/size ratio.
And thats all about this.
Anyway... I am not an X1 defender. But the facts are facts wether you like it or not.
The X1 DOES have the ability to flawlessly playback WVGA@30fps video.
Good luck man. |
mobman
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Clearly states h264 decoding??? |
Dogmann
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Hi WhybE
Sorry but i don't accept what Chombos is saying as it is not VGA H.264 as he claims. Which is why if you read many of threads here people need something like Coreplayer to play H.264 properly and in Sync and in VGA.
Well done everyone knows the E90 isn't small but if size is so important to buy a nice looking thin device and pay the price in cut down abilities. But as i never put any phone in a pocket but in a nice leather case that goes on my waist the weight isn't a problem for a big strong man like myself
after all it's only 210gms not pounds.
As i have said before i will happily take the larger size and weight for a 4" screen and 57 key keyboard as opposed to saving a little and getting a cut down keyboard instead. Plus of course all the other things my E90 does that the X1 can't and will of done for so long before we even see the X1 released never mind if it will be stable or not.
@Chombos well how about here where you say
"no man.... not correct.
even my P990 - P1 - K850 - W910 - ..... can all play (((H.264 format))) QVGA@30fps... "
I think that's where you say it is indeed QVGA and not VGA is it not? So OK then why do so many people complain and have trouble paying VGA H.264 files and need to resort to using Coreplayer then? or H.263 or 3gp files instead then?
@Mobamn
We know it can encode H.264 but only @15fps VGA.
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