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Jim
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I don't complain of such adverts  and I certainly don't think it degrades womens. It's so common now that I barely make attention, I suppose it's because I grew up with the society.
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JK
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its for identification purposes to!!! |
DJcreamz
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On 2005-07-13 12:27:27, PeterKay wrote:
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On 2005-07-13 11:45:15, DJcreamz wrote:
`I dont think western women are degraded ?
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No offence but just look at todays TV adverts. How many naked, semi naked women will you find trying to promote products. The item might sell because of these adverts but the women is being degraded because of her beautiful body.
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Hugo Boss, lacose aftershave, Nivia sun - spray all adverts i saw yesterday that had naked men in. (strange that i renembered the naked men adverts)
In this country women can make money from looking good as do male model's. My girlfriend wears skirts, i dont once look at her in a degraded manner, she wears skirts because she likes to feel nice not because society has forced her to dress up in such a way that men can oggle at her.
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PeterKay
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These are your views and thanks for sharing them. My religion has mentioned the covering of the body over 1400 years ago and is still followed today, not just by my family but many muslims around the globe. Everyone has different beliefs and we follow what we believe.
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absinthebri
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@ PeterKay - I think most religions advocate modesty in dress (Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam all do).
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ajape
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On 2005-07-13 11:12:39, PeterKay wrote:
The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.
This is what the Holy Quran says: Chapter 24 Verse 31
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons." |
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I don't see the part where it says: "and if she isn't, stone her dead." 
No, seriously now, I've always wondered why exactly is it that muslim women had to go through life looking like animated potato sacks. I mean, if this verse is the reason, then it certainly is being misinterpreted... all I read from it is (specifically) cover your tits and generally be modest. Not a word about showing your ankles or elbows being a sin... In my book at least the "what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" part is pretty open to interpretation, so I don't see why taking it to extremes must be a good thing. My $0.02
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PeterKay
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According to Qur’an and Teachings of the Prophet there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:
1. Extent:
The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.
All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.
2. The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
3. The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.
4. The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
5. The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
6. The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.
4. Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things
Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.
5. Hijaab prevents molestation
The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Al-Qur’an 33:59]
The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.
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JK
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women are beautiful 'creatures' all parts of a woman can have a reaction to men (fetish) therefore any part of a woman can arouse a man!!!
society today is such that, woman half dressed is exeptable... but can still turn u on... the less they wear the more blood rushes to....
to compare it to the 'new generation' its like a normally dressed woman compared to a woman wearing knickers!!! your first instinct is not to know her favourite colour.... now is it???? |
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I have respect for the bible and all religions, I think there is good all, however, I look to the bible more as a guide to living rather than an instruction manual.
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You've been spending too much time in the Esato Gay bar. He he he.
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DJcreamz
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@peter kay
I did not mean any disrespect to your culure if it came accross that way. As you say, we all have opions, and to a large extent our culture, our religeon, our up bringing are what form the opinions we hold. Thus western cultures have much more lax views on the showing of flesh.
Each religeon/culture is differant, thats what makes his world so diverce and intresting.
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ajape
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Are you SURE the Qur’an specifies these levels of covers and body parts, and that it's not just how the muslim clergy INTERPRETS much more loosely defined indications? And please forgive my ignorance, I've never read the Qur’an and that's why I ask. Thx |
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I love the UK for having such a diverse population and allowing people to worship as they please, within reason.
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PeterKay
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On 2005-07-13 13:26:31, ajape wrote:
Are you SURE the Qur’an specifies these levels of covers and body parts, and that it's not just how the muslim clergy INTERPRETS much more loosely defined indications? And please forgive my ignorance, I've never read the Qur’an and that's why I ask. Thx
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This is what the Holy Quran says: Chapter 24 Verse 31
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons."
Almighty God has revealed a full Chapter reagrding 'Women' in the Holy Quran which you can read here in simple English.
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On 2005-07-13 12:49:00, PeterKay wrote:
These are your views and thanks for sharing them. My religion has mentioned the covering of the body over 1400 years ago and is still followed today, not just by my family but many muslims around the globe. Everyone has different beliefs and we follow what we believe.
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Why dont the men cover up? Why are men treated as so holy in your religion, i dont understand.
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PeterKay
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On 2005-07-13 13:17:12, DJcreamz wrote:
@peter kay
I did not mean any disrespect to your culure if it came accross that way. As you say, we all have opions, and to a large extent our culture, our religeon, our up bringing are what form the opinions we hold. Thus western cultures have much more lax views on the showing of flesh.
Each religeon/culture is differant, thats what makes his world so diverce and intresting.
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No Problems matey, i was not offended in any way. It is very good to hear other members views on their faiths and lifestyles.
This is what the Holy Quran says in Chapter 3 Verse 64:
Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
"Come to Common Terms" is mentioned and this topic is one way of finding out what things we have in common today. No matter if we have differences there is no harm in debates
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