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10123
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It didnt make a difference when the C905 was released, inovo8 came out a few months earlier and when the C905 was released (at an even higher price than the inovo) it went straight to number one on contracts for a number of weeks and made SE number 1 in the UK. The innovo didnt bring that much attention, even though it was marketed by retailers as "europes first 8mp camera phone" not many were intrested in it at all and didnt perform too well on the Paymonthly chart. So its not about who released what first its about the product. |
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goldenface
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I agree with 10123 on both his last posts.
I think the megapixel race is all but coming to an end - people are less likely to buy an expensive phone just based on 'megapixel count' alone like they used to with say the Cyber-shot K800i etc. SE is no longer marketing its new higher-end phones based on the Walkman and Cyber-shot brands alone but adding value options like PlayNowMovies and PS3 etc.
Q4 is the most important month for releasing phones as it is the busiest quarter when people are expected to spend the most.
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norbi_nw
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And what exaclty are people looking at? I talk about the majority that buy phones and use it only for SMS and calls.. Still they get the cheaper pixon12, because it has a 12MPx camera, and again: low price. I really don't know how much it costs to make 1 C905, but the 430euro price is huge for me for a phone like that. And now it's almost 6 months old. Like i said, the problem with SE is the price and the very very slow release. 
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10123
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On 2009-06-01 23:45:24, norbi_nw wrote:
And what exaclty are people looking at? I talk about the majority that buy phones and use it only for SMS and calls.. Still they get the cheaper pixon12, because it has a 12MPx camera, and again: low price. I really don't know how much it costs to make 1 C905, but the 430euro price is huge for me for a phone like that. And now it's almost 6 months old. Like i said, the problem with SE is the price and the very very slow release.
I do agree that SE overprice there products and do release products too late (not including Satio), but people who buy the C905/Satio/Pixon 12mp will buy them on contracts so it doesnt really matter if the pixon drops in price, the pixon 12mp would have to drop in price by well over £200 to make it viable as a PAYG option, all 3 will still be avaible on the same tarrif so it makes zero difference.
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jmcomms
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I think it stands to reason that SE is going to release another one or two 12-megapixel handsets before Christmas in the tradional non-smartphone form factors.
At least one may retain Cyber-shot branding rather than coming under the 'Entertainment Communication' or 'Entertainment Unlimited' branding.
They now have a few 8-megapixel handsets, a few 5-megapixel models (including the release of the C901 'eco' phone very soon) and these are also MORE than enough for most people.
I was at the LG Viewty Smart event this morning (the reason why Samsung tried to spoil things with the Pixon12) and although they are obviously going to announce their 12MP model soon - as confirmed by LG's Jeremy Newing - they were quite keen to stress, like others have here, why those extra megapixels aren't really that important for most needs.
An ex-SE executive, who shall remain nameless, told me last week that the operators are the ones that put the pressure on manufacturers to give them new services, so they have no choice but to play the megapixel game - and soon, the same for video recording. There's no point trying to educate people that a tiny sensor trying to capture a billion pixels at ISO 6400 isn't going to look very good (just as you can't convince people that even a 2x digital zoom is pretty pointless, let alone 10, 20 or more!) because the networks and retailers want to be able to write '120 MEGAPIXELS', 'Super-HD VIDEO', HSDPA 2048Mbps and so on.
I'm actually surprised people on here are playing the same games as I'd expect people to be more clued up!!
As for the best time to release a phone, well that's tricky now people sign up for 18 months mainly (some even 24 - and today Orange launched a 36-month tariff!) which means it's staggered quite a bit. And, do people upgrade at Christmas or a while before - or after (when they've recovered from Christmas)? In this current climate, manufacturers may be asked to make top-end killer handsets, but they'll also need to be catering to the mid-range, especially when some tariffs being marketed are only available on fairly low-end models. If these tariffs become popular, many handsets are effectively ruled out of the equation completely anyway.
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bodeh6
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This happened last year too. SE was first to announce 8MP camera phone, but LG and Samsung announced their products later and they came out earlier. History is repeating itself. SE needs to launch closer to announcement.
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se_dude
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@jmcomms- Is the C905 successor confirmed with 12mp?? The fact that every damn manufacturer is jumping on the touchwagon is pretty worrying. Also SE are spposed to launch a fashion line??ala l'amour?? |
jmcomms
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I don't know what's next (check the rumours section here) but I know there will still be new releases under the traditional model numbers for a while - including Cyber-shot and Walkman.
It's pretty obvious to assume they'll use that sensor in another product, and as time goes on, it will become more common as other models jump to 15MP or whatever...
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tyko
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Just speculation but, i'm quite certain pixon will have better photo quality . Judging from pics posted at USEB satio uses the same post processing as c905 which is not so good (atleast I think so). It can still improve but I dont think that much. The video quality seems great though. I would still go for the satio since the overall package seems impressive. |
tyko
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@Mizzle. I remember you said that idou took better pictures than any other SE phone. The pics you've seen, are they better than those posted at USEB or can we expect it to get alot better? |
apolloa
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On 2009-05-31 02:18:18, aydahm wrote:
I'm just making an educated guess here:
Aren't Sony's Exmor lens' specified as being 5.15, 8.11 and 12.25 MP? And since Satio has 12.1 MP camera, could we assume then that there indeed is no Exmor lens in Satio?
No we could not assume I'm afraid to say! The 3430 has a spec stating it can only go up to 12mpx so you could stick a 30mpx sensor on it if you want it'll still have to be limited to 12. So SE have infact managed to just go over the Omap spec with 12.1 and I still think your totally stupid to think an imaging device called Exmor developed AND Trademarked by SONY for MOBILE PHONES will NOT be put in SONY'S OWN device:
{Imaging. An integrated image signal processor (ISP) allows for image quality enhancement while reducing external components, lowering system costs and lowering system power. The OMAP3430 can connect to images sensors up to 12 mega pixels in size with minimal shot-to-shot delay, enabling camera phones that are equivalent to or better than most digital still cameras on the market today. Additional features in the OMAP3430 like On-the-fly JPEG compression and connectivity support for both serial and parrallel cameras aid in throughput and storage as well as add design flexibility.}
From:
http://focus.ti.com/general/d[....]gationId=12643&templateId=6123
It's like saying BMW has developed this amazing new safety feature and has a brand new top range model coming out in a few months when this new safety feature will be commercially available but it will NOT use this new BMW developed and trademarked safety feature in the new range topping model, in fact they will buy it from someone else thus making the design and development process a total waste of money!! Totally and utterly STUPID right?
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Legen
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sonyericsson phones have awesome photo taking ability. thats a fact. the cyber-shot ones esp. u'll never have to worry about that part. the only concerns are the late launching and limited number of phones.
question to those of you that have info/work for sonyericsson(badassman,mizzle,p.k, santa, nightblade, xell, etc), wats the deal with that? its understandable that they tryna maintain the quality, but nt many people appreciate that. people will still go out and buy nokias and samsungs.
so why not release lots of phones of nokia/samsung quality and a few sonyericsson quality phones for those that care? it wuld even work out cheaper wuldn't it?
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golemsmate
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i wonder if it'll have 5 finger touchscreen like the iphone  if its only 1 finger based i wont be impressed |
apolloa
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On 2009-06-02 20:45:24, golemsmate wrote:
i wonder if it'll have 5 finger touchscreen like the iphone if its only 1 finger based i wont be impressed
Curious to know just how may people you know with 5 fingers? Also do you like putting lots of fingers on a 3.5 inch screen so you can't see it? It's a phone not a laptop trackpad. |
michka
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On 2009-06-02 23:03:23, apolloa wrote:
On 2009-06-02 20:45:24, golemsmate wrote:
i wonder if it'll have 5 finger touchscreen like the iphone if its only 1 finger based i wont be impressed
Curious to know just how may people you know with 5 fingers? Also do you like putting lots of fingers on a 3.5 inch screen so you can't see it? It's a phone not a laptop trackpad.
Per hand? Well quite a lot actually! 
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