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Nitro Fan
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On 2010-01-26 15:33:47, doministry wrote:
On 2010-01-26 14:51:03, Nitro Fan wrote:
I don't like the iPhone for a number of reasons and have been very critical of it in the past, but currently it is the benchmark that all others aspire to, its available and selling like hot cakes.
Given the fact the X10 is still in the lab with issues! I struggle to understand what statement comparing Apple rumors to Sony Ericson rumors makes?
The only benchmark it gives is sales number.
If not that, nobody would bother.
Whilst we clearly agree it is out selling all other smart phones,
But I am not sure I agree with your other statement "nobody would bother" it seems to me both the X10 and Nexus attempt to copy the clean lines of the iPhone (IMHO the Nexus is a much nicer looking device than the X10)
And surely there can be no doubt that Android is designed to imitate the iPhone interface as closely as possible! indeed almost every aspect of the iPhone Google dare not to include in their UI for fear of copyright infringement is being developed by third party developers Android will emulate the iPhone UI completely very shortly
There are pages and pages of comments on ESATO alone bemoaning the fact that any good interface NEEDS finger only pinch zooming, multitouch like the iPhone and yet more pages trumpeting how rubbish resistive screens are compared to .....the iPhone's capacitive display (A claim I disagree with strongly)
The manufacturers barley resist the press claims that their new touch screen device is an "iPhone killer" reason? they know that is the benchmark they have to beat!
All that aside you are missing the clearest indication that it is the benchmark for all smartphones IT is outselling all others WHY? because it gives people what they want. and that alone is the one feature that makes any device a benchmark to which others aspire.
Sony Ericsson's current policy of announcing devices months before they are ready, delivering them late, upstaged by more cutting edge devices and full of faults strikes me as being a benchmark for failure.
And their abysmal figures prove me to be correct.
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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On 2010-01-26 19:14:45, se_dude wrote:
The only way a device can destabilize the X10 from its current position is with HD recording. The X10 is the best looking Android handset yet announced. SE have done a double take by releasing the Vivaz alongside it.
Surely any device you can actually go out and buy now Nexus iPhone etc etc removes a device that is still unavailable from any "imagined" position? The X10 is STILL merely a prototype it has no "position" just a spec list and that is only as good as the paper its printed on. Apart from that it is one ugly MF compared to the Nexus
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se_dude
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@Nitro- Thats a new one.  Newaz, i wouldn't want you to choose a girl.Thats for sure. Would probably end up gettng ugly betty.  |
miguel82
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yeahh i think about 99% agree with that too  |
goldenface
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@Nitro Fan
Sorry mate but I have to disagree on your comment about the X10 trying to imitate the design of the iphone - in fact it's bollocks.
The X10 in no way even attempts to imitate the simple and clean lines of the iphone, the only thing they have in common is the form-factor. The Nexus may be, but the X10 no, absolute rubbish.
No-one with half decent eyesight could ever mistake the two.
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Now I know where "Nitro" fan gets his name from. Get well soon dude. |
doministry
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@Nitro Fan.
Well I disagree with some things.
I mean - iPhone is not giving what people want.
iPhone is giving what people start to like once they touch it,
and that's a different story.
Believe me or not, there are many features people
need on iPhones which are not available there.
And Apple does not deliver....
The thing is most of these are bought by people
who have never used this kind of device before.
It's the device which has awaken some awarness
that your device is more capable that you imagined.
Bundled with Apple's position
it made a selling success.
If iPhone would not be a massive selling success
nobody would bother copying it.
As for design: X10 is beautiful and it's not a copy of iPhone
in any way.
Sorry but design simplicity is not invented by any Apple.
Nexus is plain ugly as 90% of HTC devices,
but it's all about my taste...
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miguel82
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"I mean - iPhone is not giving what people want.
iPhone is giving what people start to like once they touch it,
and that's a different story"
200%agree! This is the only reason why apple still sells iphones...but when they realize the others are getting closer (and they are...android is the proof and symbian and WM will follow this year), apple will change their politics for sure.
But if apple starts to add better hardware like 8mp camara, xenon flash and somethings like that, they will be unbeatable
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yawdapaah
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When every iphone owner i know (the guys of course) has to jailbreak it for functionality, I'll pass. The X10 is also, by far, much better looking than the iphone. |
chenmartin
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Nexus One vs. XPERIA X10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YW5nbVZPb4 |
Nitro Fan
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I don’t like iPhone’s apart from its looks and I would not own one for a number of reasons, but lets not forget the point I am making. And that is that the iPhone has set the benchmark by which ALL new smart or superphones will be judged I am NOT saying it has the most features or is necessarily the best.
I mean - iPhone is not giving what people want.
iPhone is giving what people start to like once they touch it,
and that's a different story.
A: I would have to disagree that the iPhone does not give people what they want. It clearly does, that is why they sell so many in areas where HW recog is non essential so I simply cannot accept the iPhone is not giving users what they want, it clearly does.
Believe me or not, there are many features people
need on iPhones which are not available there.
And Apple does not deliver....
The thing is most of these are bought by people
who have never used this kind of device before.
If iPhone would not be a massive selling success
nobody would bother copying it.
A: I think you are confusing the people who just buy a phone and the “Phone Enthusiasts” here who have much higher expectations of what phones should offer; after all we are all spending time discussing a phone that we cannot even buy yet, some eher would never use a standard iPhone they would have to jailbreak it, whilst most customers simply do not care! And manufacturers just want to have products that sell
We all know Linux apps are mostly much better than Windows apps but Windows is STILL the benchmark by which most personal computing is judged, Why? It sells more.
As for design: X10 is beautiful and it's not a copy of iPhone
in any way.
Sorry but design simplicity is not invented by any Apple.
A: I do not think I put my case very well on this issue! “Ugly Betty indeed”!! What I meant was Form factor you are correct and whilst I agree Apple did not invent good design they certainly put it too good use in their iPhone damn them!
I have to say I would prefer the X10 to look more sleek like the iPhone or Nexus I feel it looks a bit 1970’s and rather tacky with those chrome buttons and square blocky looks but that’s my taste
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Phantasm4489
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The 1.6 vs 2.0/2.1 problem isnt so much in the feature list. There doesnt appear to be much in 2.0 that many people would find a deal breaker for the X10.
It is however a problem for average joe public who does not spend alot of time researching the differences between 1.6 and 2.0. By the time the X10 comes out there will be several phones out there sporting Android 2.0 and regardless of the actual difference that makes, people will see the X10 with android 1.6 and assume its old hat and assume that 1.6 is a big step back from 2.0 |
goldenface
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Studies have shown that the average user is more interested in what a phone does, rather than what version OS it's running. They don't particularly care.
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But is "the average user" the target market for a device like the X10?
The real snag for me would not simply that it came with 1.6 out of the box, but that I'd never be able to update it myself (without completely jailbreaking and modding etc). Every time a new version of Android comes out, various other phones will be updated automagically with the latest whizz-bang features, and X10 owners will be left dangling - waiting for a custom version from SE that may never come.
With the iPhone I'm used to being able to update my phone literally the same day that Apple releases new software. The idea of having to wait for someone like SE to finish (or even start) fiddling around with it before I can get it gives me shudders. It's back to the bad old days of being locked into a branded handset that's always months or even years behind the generic version. If I was going for a different OS like Android, I'd never go for the X10 for that reason.
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On 2010-01-27 18:07:56, Boinng wrote:
But is "the average user" the target market for a device like the X10?
The real snag for me would not simply that it came with 1.6 out of the box, but that I'd never be able to update it myself (without completely jailbreaking and modding etc). Every time a new version of Android comes out, various other phones will be updated automagically with the latest whizz-bang features, and X10 owners will be left dangling - waiting for a custom version from SE that may never come.
With the iPhone I'm used to being able to update my phone literally the same day that Apple releases new software. The idea of having to wait for someone like SE to finish (or even start) fiddling around with it before I can get it gives me shudders. It's back to the bad old days of being locked into a branded handset that's always months or even years behind the generic version. If I was going for a different OS like Android, I'd never go for the X10 for that reason.
Yes I think Sony Ericsson are after the "Average user" I see no reason why  would make a conscious decision to avoid the people who like the idea of an iPhone but don't want one they are the people I belive and Google are out to attract with Android.
However if I worked in a phone shop and had lived through the P990 debacle, I would be less than keen to push a customer in the direction of an handset if I could flog them a trouble free vanilla Android phone with similar features.
I think the problems for will come when the person who has bought lets say the X10 suddenly finds they cant update over the air like their friend who bought the Nexus or Droid can.
Forget the views of people on ESATO they were prepared to persevere with the P990!!! and no matter what they say we LOVE playing with our phone toys, so mucking about getting FW updates and unlocking the ROM is their meat and potatoes! the majority of my mates just want their handset to look good and work out of the box, and if it gives them a free update "Like Windows does" so much the better.
The problem for me is like you, I simply cannot be arsed with all that anymore, but I don't want an iPhone
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