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nyk_2702
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@ diggy
A US construction company with close links to the White House has been awarded a huge contract to re-build Iraq.
The initial £23million deal won by Bechtel could rise to £450 million over 18months.
the company gave the republicans £1 million between 1999 and 2002.
Chief Executive Riley Bechtel was recently appointed by George Bush to the exclusive Presidents Export Council.
@ d'fuhrer
my apologies for jumping to conclusions that werent correct on ur last post..
However, from looking at the above US 'involvements', dont U even get suspicious ?
In all the above, the US has always gained something, and I dont maen that gud feeling u get wen U help somebody! 
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diggy
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Nyk. Whats your point? You have effectively shown that you can cut and paste material, 99% which has been taken out of context and has not been presented in its entirety. It is obvious that you got that garbage from some anti American web site. Are you not capable of forming your own opinions without having to use another persons inaccurate info? So far you haven't presented any concrete evidence of anything, only speculations, assumptions, and unsubstantiated information. Son, don't believe everything you read. You obviously dont understand US Politics. Stop saying shit that America war monger. You middle folks have been fighting since the beginning of time over the same old shit, religion and land. You should talk.
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nyk_2702
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@ diggy
The piece that I pasted was pasted fully.
Nothing was taken out of it, I didnt not try N change it.
It was obtained from http://www.naharnet.com
As for the pasting, I think U would find it called 'research' by ppl that hav been to skoo, and gonr past grade 5... (Ohh wait.. Ur not one of those...)
At least I giv sum sort of evidence wit my arguments, U just kepe repeating things that U hav heard, Ur like an American Spokesperson..
U repeat it so many times to urself, until U believe wat u r saying...
So Y dont U do us all a favour, Shut Up, and let ppl wit somthing sensible show ther opinions, becoz frankly u r an immature, stupid, uneducated little boy..
As for ur understanding of US politics... Well Y dont U read ur previous posts, Ive had enough of ridiculing ur stupid, baseless arguments
U stil didnt answer my Q of wer from btw..??
the site is
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Forums.nsf
Go to Politics, then 'World', and then 'Pax Americana'
Ull find views of both sides of the argument
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Yoeppie
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On 2003-04-18 11:09, diggy wrote:
Nyk. Whats your point? You have effectively shown that you can cut and paste material, 99% which has been taken out of context and has not been presented in its entirety. It is obvious that you got that garbage from some anti American web site. Are you not capable of forming your own opinions without having to use another persons inaccurate info? So far you haven't presented any concrete evidence of anything, only speculations, assumptions, and unsubstantiated information. Son, don't believe everything you read. You obviously dont understand US Politics. Stop saying shit that America war monger. You middle folks have been fighting since the beginning of time over the same old shit, religion and land. You should talk.
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@Diggy
I dont get it diggy u guys ask Nyk to show a link between the companies that will rebuild Iraq after the war such he does then u go telling him that he got that from some anti Us website and that he is not able not capable of forming his own opinions how else will he show u the link and dont give him crap about some anti US website the info he gave u olso can be found on many other western news sites? i beleive even ur own cnn had it on theire website so that means even cnn is not correct?? and here are some Uk websites
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,583869,00.html
http://www.redherring.com/vc/2002/0111/947.html
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nyk_2702
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@ Yoeppie
Thats biased info! 
Every sitet hat U get info against the US is Anti-US, and is therefore a lie!
Who wud U believe, raw 100% correct facts, or good ol' G Bush ?
LoooLzzz
the above is a predicted response from good old Diggy..
He will probably say that wat we r saying is sum sort of Conspiracy...
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amagab
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I am the one that asked for a link between the Bush administration and corporations awarded contracts in Iraq because nyk claimed that people in the administration had been on the boards of these corporations.
Now nyk claims that Bechtel corporation was awarded their contract because they donated money to the Republican party at the last election. Well, if you follow US politics you would know that all US corporations donate money during election times. Most corporations donate to the Republican party because they usually benefit from conservative politics such as lower taxes. Some corporations make political contributions to both parties because it is a tax write-off. There is nothing illegal about political contributions as long as they are within limits and goes to the party and not single persons. I am almost certain that all corporations that bid for the Iraqi contracts have contributed to the Republican party.
nyk> it is scary to hear you say that you get your info from another forum and then you say that you have 'raw 100% correct facts'. It is hard for me to believe that the forum you cut and paste your posts from are 'raw 100% facts'. I would advice you to get your info from primary sources.
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nyk_2702
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@ amagab
I am not saying that the Corporation got ther contracts becoz the donated money..Read the post again, I sed it was becoz on of ther executives now works for the US gov't...
Dont twist wat I say..
The facts that I research, and paste here are to prove points, If i had more time to research them I wud..
But every fact that I write or tell U is true.. Dont believe me?
Y dont U do sum research, and U wud C that all of the facts writen are correct...
If U find any FACT that is written by me that I hav researched, is wrong, then u may comment on my sources of info. But until then, dont criticise wat U dont know about pls..
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scubba_steve
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On 2003-04-18 09:26, nyk_2702 wrote:
Ur telling me that all the above invasions/involvments in countries problems is the US's duty ? Becoz its a superpower?
I agree if the countries ask the US ok..
But many countries that are listed above did not....
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@nyk_2702
Actually many of the most recent military actions were at either the request of that country or at the request of the UN. What you seem to have left out in many (not all) of those situations is the reason why the US went in. For instance Somalia the UN and US went in because warlords were tearing that country apart. The aid that was being sent was not getting to the people so, the UN and US were trying to make sure the aid got to the people and they were trying to help establish order in a country filled with anarchy. In the other examples you post were the US military occupied Caribbean countries were similar, and economic crisis started unrest that turned in anarchy. If we were the big bad US that you claim we are then we would still occupy those countries. But as you can see we don’t. Imagine the outrage the world would have shown if the US turned a blind eye to these countries. You mentioned also mentioned Yugoslavia, we went in to stop the ethnic cleansing, not to assist in it.
I would hate to imagine what the world would be without the US. Whole areas of the world would be engulfed in war or famine, because who would be strong enough to stop it? The UN?
Many people in this form have also compared the US to Empires of old or the former USSR in strength. But how many of those former empires or superpowers assisted the word in their time? None... they were all concerned with their own empire. So if the US is truly an empire, then be happy we are concerned enough to assist countries that cant even feed, and protect their own people.
Just want to say it again, nyk_2702 although I don’t agree with your views I still appreciate them.
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nyk_2702
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@ scubba_steve
Ur post did show that the US is not all bad..
I hav never sed that the US is all bad and no good...
However, wat about
PHILIPPINES, 1898-1910
PUERTO RICO, 1898
NICARAGUA, 1912-33
CUBA, 1917-33
RUSSIA, 1917-22
PUERTO RICO, 1950
IRAN, 1953
GUATEMALA, 1954
LEBANON, 1956
VIETNAM, 1960-75
LEBANON, 1982-4
HONDURAS, 1983-9
GRENADA, 1983
LIBYA, 1986
IRAN, 1987
PANAMA, 1989-90
SUDAN, 1998
IRAQ, 1998
AFGHANISTAN, 2001
Now if U looked at the above, and then onto the list of good things the US has done, Wat wud Ur opinions be?
Now i mite hav missd a few arguable cases, and ther mayB points on the list above that ppl dont agree with..
However, its clear to C that the US isnt a gr8 superpower.
If we wer to say how wud the world B without the US, u cud say that ther wudnt B any WMD.. It was the Americans that made the first Atom Bomb.. The Russians developed it only as a self-defense against the US..
Israel wud not hav existed, thus meaning no Mid-East conflict as many Islamic Fundamentalists wud hav no grounds to base ther radical views..
Although the such things as ethnic cleansing and civil wars are SOMETHINGS the US has helped with...
Im in NO WAY anti-US.. I'd like to visit the states, go NYC, LA
But i am against power-mongering politicians who's first priority is to ensure that the US remains the only super-power, and to remain unchallenged in this, so as to ensure global supremacy...
I just like to view Both sides of the story, After whcih I make my opinions...
At least wit ppl like scubba_steve & amagab, who r able to present sensible arguments, respect other peoples views, and dont go rambling and shouting to get attention...
Cheers
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amagab
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How do u kno that this wasnt a Big US conspiracy to have a reason to control the Worlds oil ?
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(nyk quoted 2003-04-02)
nyk> you were saying what about diggy?
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nyk_2702
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Yes but I backed up my 'conspiracy' did I not ?
I dont hav anything against people writing Conspiracies, Ill respect even the most absurd conspiracy if its backed up with evidence that is credible, and not a 'becoz i sed so'
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scubba_steve
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nyk_2702
I do apparently need to go refresh myself on some of these older events... However the Gulf war "Iraq 1998" was a UN backed war. The whole reason we fought that war was to prevent Kuwait from being taken over by Iraq... we could have done far worse to Iraq then, but once they were out of Kuwait the war was over. Also regarding Afghanistan... our only problem with the ruling party (Taliban) was that they would not give over Bin Ladden. In fact they were actively trying to help him. That is why the Taliban was disbanded in Afghanistan. But also keep in mind the military action in Afghanistan was also UN backed, yes it was at the request of the US but it is still a UN operation.
You do make a valid point about the US being the first to Develop Nuclear bombs... But it would have only been a matter of time before another nation discovered the destructive potential of that weapon. Just a tidbit of information for you. During the arms race the US developed what was know as a Neutron bomb. It has the same destructive power the Atomic bomb does but none of the side effects (radiation clouds, nuclear fallout, etc.) But what is interesting about all this is that the US destroyed all documentation on the weapon and does not make the weapon because of its ease of use. So as you can see not all of our politicians are bad.
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nyk_2702
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@ scubba_steve
Iraq 1998 was NOT the Gulf War
the Gulf War was 1990-1991
The Iraq 1998, was wen the US under playboy Bill Clinton decided to Bomb Iraq
At the time, the US withdrew UN inspectors, and not as the US sed that Iraq threw them out...
This is becoz, like the inspections that occurred b4 this war, the US was unable to find anything
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scubba_steve
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nyk_2702
You are absolutely correct, 1998 was not the Gulf War. Sorry a mental laps occurred. I did a little research online on some of those dates. Here is a very condensed version of what I found. I'll do a little more later when I get the chance.
Some of it was taken out of context but some of it was not, here take a look:
*PHILIPPINES, 1898-1910
Spanish American war. Philippine territory given to US. A few years
later given their independence.
*PUERTO RICO, 1898
Spanish American war.
*NICARAGUA, 1912-33
U.S. marines landed to support the provisional president, Adolfo Díaz,
*CUBA, 1917-33
1902 agreement kept the island under U.S. protection and gave the
United States the right to intervene in Cuban affairs. 1917 an
uprising occured and the US attempted to put it down.
*RUSSIA, 1917-22
Civil unrest (I couldn’t find anything that showed US troops on
Russian soil)
*PUERTO RICO, 1950
Assasination attempt on President Harry S. Truman
*IRAN, 1953
US Special Forces ousted Premier Mussadegh, considered as a radical
militant nationalist, from power.
*GUATEMALA, 1954
President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán was pro communism. In an effort to
stop communism from spreading the US aided the anti-Arbenz military
force that placed Col. Carlos Castillo Armas in power.
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amagab
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nyk> the reason US and UK bombed Iraq during the later 90s was because they violated the cease fire signed after the Gulf War 1991.
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