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Vit
Joined: Nov 13, 2007
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On 2010-10-01 17:55:13, ares wrote:
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...you guys are just the example of the fanboys are refered too...sad to see esato full of blokia fanboys...dire times...
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 16:57 ]
Ok. Thatīs your opinion. I guess we havenīt offended nobody here. Please, letīs keep things that way.
By the way, be my guest to post some of these iPhone4 pics of yours. I guess that itīs more than notorious that the iPhone outputs pictures that are extremely over saturated. Theyīre also over-sharpened, giving, in some situations, a 'oil-painting' like feeling.
Besides that, I guess that nobody here has stated that the iPhone4 camera is crap either.
And nobody states that Symbian is a better OS, as well.
I personally feel that itīs not as bad as people depict. Letīs face it. Saying that Symbian is a crap OS is not an accurate opinion.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 17:08 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
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Vit
Joined: Nov 13, 2007
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From: Brazil
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On 2010-10-01 17:55:13, ares wrote:
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...hereīs a more educated opinion about the iphone 4 camera
http://forums.dpreview.com/fo[....]sp?forum=1017&message=35873345
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:00 ]
@ first look, these pics look good, but just look at them closer and again youīll see all that saturation boost I was talking about.
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ares
Joined: Dec 11, 2003
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I posted some photos at the iphone 4 photo thread here at esato, but so far i only managed to shoot sunsets and little else. Hereīs a closeup iīve just made
Regarding the oversaturation, it is noticeable in certain photos...but i have no problems with it....hereīs another photo i made in my daughters room
In this case, believe me, the colors were just like that - morning sun was entering through the windows, and the room is full of light and color...i immediately fell in love with ip4 camere (it was the morning after i got it)
And letīs just say i have a very strong dislike for s60 and the current Symbian UI (thatīs why i called it crap)
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:21 ] SE w880 + Iphone 4 16gb |
Vit
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On 2010-10-01 18:15:17, ares wrote:
Check the link i gave...itīs more informative than anything i could say...and thereīs nothing looking like a painting there to me
I posted some photos at the iphone 4 photo thread here at esato, but so far i only managed to shoot sunsets and little else. Hereīs a closup iīve just made
And letīs just say i have a very strong dislike for s60 and the current Symbian UI (thatīs why i called it crap)
Close upīs doesnīt tell much about cameraīs quality. Nowadays almost all cameraphones take good close up shots.
I canīt argue with you more, as I donīt have a N8 to do so.
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ares
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Fair enough. My point is the iPhone 4 has a very good camera, and itīs not miles behing the powerfull (camera speaking) n8.
That said the n8 camera is awesome...i love it being wide angle...would love to see it on a phone with decent OS
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:35 ] SE w880 + Iphone 4 16gb |
Vit
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On 2010-10-01 18:23:32, ares wrote:
Fair enough. My point is the iPhone 4 has a very good camera, and itīs not miles behing the powerfull (camera speaking) n8.
That said the n8 camera is awesome...i love it being wide angle...would love to see it on a phone with decent OS
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:35 ]
Youīre right. iPhone4īs camera isnīt far behind. In fact, it shouldnīt come as a surprise.
Despite the N8īs sensor being much bigger, both have the same pixel size, so they should perform similarly.
The advantage of 12 megapixels do show, though.
Take 2 samples, one taken with the iPhone4 and other taken with the N8. With similar noise reduction algorithms, and with both samples reduced to the same size, all noise pixels in the N8 picture should ultimately appear smaller that in the iPhone4 one.
Conversely, one could tune up the N8 camera to output similar pictures in terms of perceivable noise and opt for tuning the noise reduction down, what would mean that its pictures would hold both resolution, dynamic range and colour saturation as the ISO is increased.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 18:00 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
jake20
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On 2010-10-01 17:55:13, ares wrote:
I also can present you BETTER iphone 4 photos than Engadget did...hereīs a more educated opinion about the iphone 4 camera
http://forums.dpreview.com/fo[....]sp?forum=1017&message=35873345
No one is saying the iphone 4, not being a dedicated cameraphone like the n8, produces better photos than the n8...itīs just that the difference isnīt huge like Nokia and itīs folowers wanted us to believe...add a crap OS over that and the n8 looks less attractive
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 17:00 ]
the N8 is a dedicated camerphone, and the Iphone is not? what does that even mean?
the weak LED flash of Iphone sets it back a mile right there.. go try an take a picture in a nightclub, then back back to me.. and lets see some night low light Iphone pics as well..
My old W760 took fantastic daytime shots as well, a lot of camera can take great shots in good lighting.
go away you apple fanboy
man, all these apple fanboy have nothing better to do than invade a Symbian/Nokia discussion thread.. what losers
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Vit
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After all, itīs all about compromises.
The N8 is a phone that has not taken any compromises regarding to the camera. Some compromises have been assumed when it comes to the OS, though.
Thatīs quite the opposite to Appleīs approach.
Some like Nokiaīs approach. Some like Appleīs, intead.
And thatīs the greatness of the mobile market. If everybody liked just one model, soon its maker would rule the market. And that would definitely not be a good thing.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-10-01 18:08 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
jake20
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Look at these two pictures.. and how can you still say Iphone camera is close to same quality as N8
can easily tell the contrast and saturation is turned up on the Iphone to "appear" to have more vivid colors, but when in the right setting, this trick can easily be exposed like in this shot.
Just look at the sky and clouds.. Iphone4 can not even expose them at all.. its like they are not even there.
that is poor, and totally unnatural representation of the actual scene by Iphone camera..
bottom line is that Iphone has a good camera for a cellphone, but N8 has a point and shoot standalone quality camera.
don't be a fanboy, be honest
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HxH
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Okay, then check this out
Simply Amazing! from N8
http://blog.gsmarena.com/noki[....]deo-and-camera-samples-inside/
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jake20
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another excellent video review of the camera capabilities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ4y77nVKI&feature=player_embedded |
Tsepz_GP
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
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Those Engadget shots are ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC!  they have made the N8 look so out of focus, i thought people here were over reacting, but its the opposite, im no longer a fan of Nokia and would take a iP4 over a N8 ANYDAY, but lets be honest here, that really was not a fair comparison with those cropped shots, i feel sick to my stomach just looking at them, im going to wait for GSMArena to do a [roper comparison.
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HxH
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Well! As not take NOKIA side, so do I step back from  side I mean less aggressive than before after SATIO's treatment it some kind of unacceptable for me
What a coincide! 
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epdm
Joined: Mar 28, 2004
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[snipped a few things]
Its a good OS but the UI is in need of a major change, nothing flashy just something better structured.
After using Android i simply cant stand S60 at all, and it seems like Symbian ^3 isnt that different.
Symbian^3 is totally different. It IS better structured! It IS made consistent across the UI. That's the whole point of Symbian^3 otherwise Nokia could have stuck with S60v5 (and progressed to S60v6).
It's just that Symbian^3 LOOKS the same as S60v5. And aparantly many ppl are only interested in how flashy a Ui is. Sure, S3 isn't as flashy as iOS4 or Android but it makes up for a consistent featureset across devices.
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ares
Joined: Dec 11, 2003
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@jake20, WHO are you calling a fanboy kid? I've been esato user and SE/UIQ fan since you were probably on your diapers. I made my point and stick to it. You know what's worse than apple fanboys? Lame Nokia/symbian zealots.
Esato now is full of the kind, sadly
P.s: not realizing or admiting the n8 was made The n8 was specifically made to be the ultimate cameraphone, and the iPhone 4 not, only shows the value of anything you say
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-10-01 23:37 ] SE w880 + Iphone 4 16gb |
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