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P990 Firmware Thread | latest: ph:R7A001, org:R3B01, bt:R4F01 |
Nitro Fan
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On 2006-08-22 15:03:03, ares wrote:
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On 2006-08-22 14:11:34, Dogmann wrote:
Hi all,
I know some of you may think i am this big anti SE knocking person but this really is not the case and as much as i wanted to believe that all these delays meant your nice new P990's would be relatively stable and usable. As Nitrogen says
"i want to see it a good deal more stable before I trust it for my business. How can anyone afford to spend so much time trying to get a phone right? they should be right from the factory, it merely indicates to me these early release phones cannot have been tested properly. SE need shooting you guys have all paid a lot of money to be beta testers not good enough."
I beg you all please take a stand not just for yourselves but for all of us and even for the future good of SE. Return every single unit as not fit for purpose and demand a refund. Even if SE refunded your money and allowed you to keep the units you would be unpaid Beta testers but that would just about be acceptable IMO.
This thread is 11 pages already after just 2 weeks and as soon as they fix one problem another appears this is just so wrong it defies belief IMO. Why SE feel they can treat you their loyal customers this way is beyond me but i do wonder just how many customers they are losing and likely to lose if things don't change soon.
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why donīt you talk about the nokia n80??? Yeah, its been plagued with bugs, and guess what, if people want to upgrade the firmware, Nokia doesnīt let them do it a home...is SE so wrong after all???
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I am amazed that the only response you can find is "well Nokia's problems are worse" That indicates you either have too much time or money on your hands! A big part of my job is to be responsible for sourcing technical solutions of many kinds for my company, and if buying the P990 means I have to spend hours updating firmware and bug fixing just to have a product that will be stable then I am not going to recommend it as an economical or reliable purchase for my company, it would be the same story if it was nokia or and LG in the same shameful condition, for people who like playing with phones its OK if you have time and patience to do so, in business its time I simply do not have.
No one is SE bashing, but a number of members feel that NO manufacturer should release products before they have been fully tested, I could see these problems coming a mile off and made a number of posts to that effect.
I am just stunned that so many people are prepared to get ripped off in this manner, I agree with the previous poster all handsets should be returned ASAP this would send a message to SE to get it right.
I personaly would love a P990 & would be more than happy to be able to say to the business go ahead an buy it, but until its right I am not going near the damn thing!
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 P910i P900 T610 T68i all great phones Please Hurry Up P990!
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Spawn
Joined: Apr 25, 2003
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On 2006-08-24 14:30:40, Nitro Fan wrote:
I am just stunned that so many people are prepared to get ripped off in this manner, I agree with the previous poster all handsets should be returned ASAP this would send a message to SE to get it right.
I personaly would love a P990 & would be more than happy to be able to say to the business go ahead an buy it, but until its right I am not going near the damn thing!
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P910i P900 T610 T68i all great phones Please Hurry Up P990!
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2006-08-24 13:33 ]
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Im just stunned that you feel the people who have bought the p990i are being or have been ripped off. What gives you the right to become all high mighty??, if you feel that strongly about it then ill send you my invoice and you can reimburse me...i think we get the idea that your not too fond of the p990i which is your opinion and rightly entitled to it. Just like we are entitled to our opinions about Nokia or SE products.
Im afraid your rantings and ravings about how poor a product the p990i is are falling on deaf ears....says alot i guess. Seems to me that most if not all people are quite satisfied with their p990i's. |
xtemujin
Joined: Nov 03, 2005
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From: Singapore
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Dogmann,
I concur with you and I have the P990i with me for about a week now.
I've paid full retail price for the P990i and expect a bug free handphone. Right now, I feel like I'm a beta tester and SE should have gave me beta prices.
Here are my beef with the P990i right now.
1) I've not read any first reviews about the signal reception of the P990i. When the P990i is in dual mode, 3G and GSM, the signal bar will fluctuate between 1, 2 and 3 bars and vice versa. BTW, My N70 is still at full bar at the same location. Yes, I've experienced drop calls.
2) The speakers are softer than my Nokia N70.
3) When you file transfer using BT, the files will be put into the Inbox. I don't understand the need to FO(Flip open) to read my notes and to view jpeg files when it it is in the Inbox.
4) I've been experiencing a few times the Delete tab from the drop down list in sms/text mode missing. You have to go out of the sms/text programme and return back to sms to see the Delete tab reappear again.
5) Another problem is deleting files that is BT transferred to the Inbox. I am unable to delete the file at first and have to go out of the sms/text programme and return back to delete that file.
6) At one time, the handphone just shutdowns itself when I plug in the charger.
7) No CLOCK screen saver and you only have a pitch black screen and you have no visual confirmation that your handphone is really powered up or it is dead. If there are third party options for a clock screen saver and you have to pay, why does Nokia handphone has the clock screen saver as a standard feature.
8] No Blackberry support out of the box yet.
9) No recording of FM radio. SE has not kept their promise of recording FM when it was first announced.
10) When you forward your sms/text from the Inbox, you will get the "Foward from +Number" included in your forwarded message. I hope that there is a possibility for an option of not putting the "Forward from +Number" as there is a 160 character limits for sms.
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masseur
Joined: Jan 03, 2003
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From: Sydney, London
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I think there is a bit of cross-purpose discussion here.
on one hand is the business/bottom line point of view and on the other hand is the enthusiast point of view, and rarely do they meet when a brand new product comes along.
As an analogy, its the same with windows and MS office, for example. Its takes some companies years to update their pc's and only after their business practices have been checked and confirmde as not impacted, or if they are impacted then when a solution is worked out. Whereas the enthusiast queues up at midnight for the release of the new operating system and gets it installed asap.
Having said that, and speaking as an enthusiast, I do feel the P990 is the worst SE product-at-release that I have ever bought!
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xtemujin
Joined: Nov 03, 2005
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From: Singapore
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Masseur,
There are too many SE moles giving a positive spin about the P990i right now and many bugs raised are being treated as just a once off.
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endeler
Joined: Sep 17, 2004
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From: Switzerland
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Oh my god, this is the first time in 10 months that I am considering cancelling my order. All I want is a working phone and P990 is everything but that. I have had Qtek 9100 which was buggy as hell and after having sold that I was looking forward to P990 so much. Oh well... this is just a bad day so far
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ares
Joined: Dec 11, 2003
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From: Coimbra, Portugal
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iīm not a mole, and iīm using the p990 all day, has my only phone...if it was so bad has some of you are saying, or if was "always updating", this just couldnīt happen...i play games, i listen to podcasts and music all the time with hbh ds970, i browse the web at home and in hotspots, i use the rss reader, i make calls, i send sms, i use the calendar and to-do list, i read pdfs - iīve doing this all the week, except for the time i updated the software
so, i do think people are being to severe with SE, although there lots of things to improve
by the way xtremujin, please do show were SE did promise radio recordings - it only appeared on a bengalboy review!!! If people want to criticize, at least get the facts straight
@masseur, i also think you are mistaken - first units of M600 were much worse than P990 - in France they even were removed from market
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masseur
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On 2006-08-24 15:13:05, ares wrote:
@masseur, i also think you are mistaken - first units of M600 were much worse than P990 - in France they even were removed from market
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as I said...
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Having said that, and speaking as an enthusiast, I do feel the P990 is the worst SE product-at-release that I have ever bought!
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I didn't buy a French one so I cannot comment on that. I was talking from personal experience and about that, I am surenly not mistaken 
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Avantis
Joined: Nov 11, 2004
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Yes...the M600 with the low battery error..
Where i live people will still not touch an M600 as they know nothing about firmware updates..
I too have a stable phone working perfectly as far as all its main functions are concerned..
I like the phone very much and just hope SE will iron out the little niggling things very soon..They should not have been there in the first place but they are..People are becoming aware of it and they decide whether to buy the phone or not.
It will be interesting to see what firmware the phone will release with all over Europe beginning of Sept..
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joel80
Joined: Nov 30, 2004
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From: Sweden
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If you say that you havn't followed many discussions here on Esato about the p990. The most of them are about bugs and problems so far with the p990 and we all look out for updates.
I don't think there is anyone saying that the phone is the answer to everything and that it works perfect... but not many of us who bought the phone thought it would be flawless at start.
My biggest irritation is not at the software (that will be fixed) but that the battery of the phone. Both on SEs white-pages and in the manual(!!) it says BST-34. But we all (is sweden at least) have recived BST-33.
That can't be right! And can't be fixed with a damn FW-update!
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On 2006-08-24 14:50:38, xtemujin wrote:
Masseur,
There are too many SE moles giving a positive spin about the P990i right now and many bugs raised are being treated as just a once off.
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/Joel
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P1i user since 2007-12-15
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anielgrover
Joined: Aug 24, 2006
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I agree with you joel. Main question is the battery indicated in the white papers and many review forums for this handset does not in fact tally with the end product.All those who bought the phones claim getting BST-33 in lieu of BST-34 which is actually supposed to come along in the package. Strange from SE. |
xtemujin
Joined: Nov 03, 2005
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From: Singapore
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Here in Singapore, we are also getting the BST-33 instead of the BST-34. 
Does it not fall under EU law of false marketing and possibility of a redress ?
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the Puffin
Joined: Jul 10, 2006
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From: Sweden
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IMHO, this thread is losing its focus on firmware ...
It's not OK, but almost leagal |
Jah
Joined: Jun 22, 2003
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On 2006-08-24 20:24:35, xtemujin wrote:
Here in Singapore, we are also getting the BST-33 instead of the BST-34.
Does it not fall under EU law of false marketing and possibility of a redress ?
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Return you P990
Who are these moles? Please expand.
At My-symbian and here at Easto we have had an open and frank discussion about the P990. And these two sites have a lot of traffic. Both have threads on 'bugs & issues'.
Please remember not everyone needs all the P990 functions. I do not now have an Exchange server to sync with and I have no need for push email as my laptop is connected 14 hrs a day. Which means we don't all have negative observations to make as we have not yet discovered what does not work as we don't need it. So how can we complain about a function we don't use?
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Avantis
Joined: Nov 11, 2004
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It seems that the low memory problem will remain with this version of symian (9.1). There is already talk about symbian 9.3 which will address the low memory problem much more effectively.
If that's the case people will have to live with this if they still want to own a P990. They will just have to use the task manager more effectively in order to keep multitasking operating as well as possible..
A bit like windows mobile 5.0 I guess. The difference there is that there is more RAM available at the moment plus there is applications like spb plus and magic button that give you the option to kill applications when exiting..
Perhaps we will soon see a similar 3rd party application for this OS.
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