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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-30 01:21:44, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
...As it was the first to be able to record 30fps VGA in H.264 it was also the first to...
@Dogmann
Can you point me to this spec?
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aksd
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Video Compression and playback etc. is handled by the GPU on the E90 and on the X1 EMEA/WWE version, not sure about the US version though.
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d-southwest
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What up?
Has anyone seen on tha whitepaper that tha video camera doesnt have a digital zoom?
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-30 09:06:30, d-southwest wrote:
What up?
Has anyone seen on tha whitepaper that tha video camera doesnt have a digital zoom?
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d-southwest
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On 2008-05-30 11:02:08, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-05-30 09:06:30, d-southwest wrote:
What up?
Has anyone seen on tha whitepaper that tha video camera doesnt have a digital zoom?
Peace
Digital zoom on VGA video?...
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WhyBe
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@d-southwest:
With digital zoom, you're not really zooming in, you're just enlarging the recorded pixels. Digital zoom, I think, is more of a software feature. There's no corresponding hardware component that implements it. I could be wrong though.
True zooming is implemented through optical zoom.
For example:
2x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
2x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 320x240
4x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
4x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 160x120
8x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
8x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 80x60
...and so on.
(those resolutions may be different if digital zoom is calculated at the sensor)
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d-southwest
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On 2008-05-30 11:17:57, WhyBe wrote:
@d-southwest:
With digital zoom, you're not really zooming in, you're just enlarging the recorded pixels. Digital zoom, I think, is more of a software feature. There's no corresponding hardware component that implements it. I could be wrong though.
True zooming is implemented through optical zoom.
For example:
2x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
2x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 320x240
4x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
4x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 160x120
8x optical zoom would yield a resolution of 640x480
8x digital zoom would yield a resolution of 80x60
...and so on.
(those resolutions may be different if digital zoom is calculated at the sensor)
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-30 10:29 ]
Thanks for ya help
But does that mean that it has a zoom for video capture?
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-30 12:27:01, d-southwest wrote:
...But does that mean that it has a zoom for video capture?
I don't know the specifics of the X1 capturing. It may be mentioned in many of the review videos on YouTube or review. |
anonymuser
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I wouldn't suppose it has an optical zoom, as few if any phones do. The point about digitial zoom (which is nothing but a very poor imitation of optical zoom) is that you could perform the exact same trick with MS Paint, and probably do a better job than the phone could anyway. It's absence on the X1 is a blessing if anything - it might stop a few good pictures getting ruined.
The whole video issue is an interesting one - if SE could place hand on heart and claim the X1 was best for multimedia, or at the very least best for multimedia on Windows Mobile, then they might have a real advantage over the Raphael etc. There's a real demand out there for at least one WM device that can really deliver perfect video etc (as evidenced by the whole HTC Drivers backlash). At the same time of course, there's a mass market who are quite happy to put up with just "ok" multimedia (myself included) who are more than happy with current WM hardware like the Tytn II etc, let alone the next generation.
Sadly for SE, I don't see that the X1 does have any great claims over the Raphael in this department - it's still in the "ok" camp. Which is fine by me, but at the same time, no good reason for me to buy it rather than the Raphael.
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d-southwest
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To WhyBe
Thanks again
And yes i will search it down
To Boinng
Thank you too
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
I have sent you a Pm with info and a link as this really hasn't anything to do with the X1 at all.
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Humble
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This seems to be a quite interesting,
Do Nokia use the Omaps, I knew my artemis had a little omap in,
http://focus.ti.com/general/d[....]gationId=12796&contentId=36505
power house of a fone,I can see this in the horizon lol |
aksd
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I just found some interesting information.
The US version of the X1 as well as the Diamond and the Raphael, using MSM 7201A processor can record QVGA at 30fps(3GP, MP4) ONLY, although playback is supposed to be at VGA @ 30fps, using QTV, which as far as I know is a software based solution, this is not good at all, its pathetic actually.
The MSM7200A as far as specs go can record at VGA @ 30fps, BUT for some reason its not on Qualcomms site anymore, I wonder if the X1 still uses the MSM7200A then.
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dr.W
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On 2008-05-30 15:22:31, aksd wrote:
I just found some interesting information.
The US version of the X1 as well as the Diamond and the Raphael, using MSM 7201A processor can record QVGA at 30fps(3GP, MP4) ONLY, although playback is supposed to be at VGA @ 30fps, using QTV, which as far as I know is a software based solution, this is not good at all, its pathetic actually.
The MSM7200A as far as specs go can record at VGA @ 30fps, BUT for some reason its not on Qualcomms site anymore, I wonder if the X1 still uses the MSM7200A then.
Where did you find this information?
As far as specs go the MSM7200A can also support 8MP cameras, just because a chip can support a feature does not require manufacturers to include that feature. Seriously, why are you guys getting so worked about the video recording capabilities of a phone. Are you going to be shooting your next blockbuster on it?
I think expectations for phones are very much out of control right now. People want a desktop computer, HDTV, dSLR and professional camcorder all in a device no more than 12mm thick (or is that too big also). Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to buy a phone like that, and maybe in a few years I will, but I also happen to live in the real world where I know what is and, more importantly, is not important to have on a phone. Email, good/fast internet, smooth interface with easy to use calendar and information management software, good stability, and for when I'm not busy, possibly a decent music player.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-30 20:01:26, dr.W wrote:
On 2008-05-30 15:22:31, aksd wrote:
I just found some interesting information.
The US version of the X1 as well as the Diamond and the Raphael, using MSM 7201A processor can record QVGA at 30fps(3GP, MP4) ONLY, although playback is supposed to be at VGA @ 30fps, using QTV, which as far as I know is a software based solution, this is not good at all, its pathetic actually.
The MSM7200A as far as specs go can record at VGA @ 30fps, BUT for some reason its not on Qualcomms site anymore, I wonder if the X1 still uses the MSM7200A then.
Where did you find this information?
As far as specs go the MSM7200A can also support 8MP cameras, just because a chip can support a feature does not require manufacturers to include that feature. Seriously, why are you guys getting so worked about the video recording capabilities of a phone. Are you going to be shooting your next blockbuster on it?
I think expectations for phones are very much out of control right now. People want a desktop computer, HDTV, dSLR and professional camcorder all in a device no more than 12mm thick (or is that too big also). Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to buy a phone like that, and maybe in a few years I will, but I also happen to live in the real world where I know what is and, more importantly, is not important to have on a phone. Email, good/fast internet, smooth interface with easy to use calendar and information management software, good stability, and for when I'm not busy, possibly a decent music player.
@dr. W
100% agreed 
@aksd: Those X1a specs you just mentioned are already listed in the whitepaper. The X1i, which is also listed, doesn't have those restrictions.
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