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badassmam
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Getting a Lambo to sex you up would be painful let alone a bus.
HTC Raphael is very similar to the X1 but will be out before and the TouchFlo looks faster, more stable and more impressive than the X1 panels. Its a matter of opinion as to which you would buy but I would go for the HTC personally.
Since HTC and SE worked together to make the X1, you could always see HTC making their own version. Its like having dinner with your worst enemy, they have probobly p*ssed in your drink and will have a knife ready for when you turn your back.
X1 on UIQ would be excellent since there is nothing like it on the market with those specs. |
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-29 00:39:25, S4k1s wrote:
On 2008-05-28 23:06:03, WhyBe wrote:
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
So, I'll take the Lamborghini while you drive the bus 
So the Lambo can sex u up?
Sry I fail to get your point.
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mib1800
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On 2008-05-28 23:50:42, WhyBe wrote:
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
well, N95/8G, N82, N93 all rec 30fps video at VGA resolution but at a much higher (5 times) bitrate giving much better video/sound quality than X1 h.263 low bitrate format. |
razec
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On 2008-05-29 03:50:17, mib1800 wrote:
On 2008-05-28 23:50:42, WhyBe wrote:
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
well, N95/8G, N82, N93 all rec 30fps video at VGA resolution but at a much higher (5 times) bitrate giving much better video/sound quality than X1 h.263 low bitrate format.
That means the powerVr GPU used was more powerful than the video accelerator integrated in the Qualcomm CPU. anyway if only Qualcomm utilized a separate ATi chip then the results will not be likely what is going on  especially since Ati M100 chip has been for a while now.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-29 03:50:17, mib1800 wrote:
On 2008-05-28 23:50:42, WhyBe wrote:
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
well, N95/8G, N82, N93 all rec 30fps video at VGA resolution but at a much higher (5 times) bitrate giving much better video/sound quality than X1 h.263 low bitrate format.
What are those bitrates for the Nokias? What are the X1's bitrates for mp4, h.264 and h.263? |
aksd
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@WhyBe
The N95/E90/N82 have better multimedia capabilities than the X1 at the moment, especially the US version . Just because you like the phone does'nt make it the best now does it  .
N95/E90/N81: VGA @ 30fps H.264(nothing else matters)
X1 EU version: VGA @ 15fps H.264(VGA @ 30 fps H.263)
X1 US version: VGA @ 30fps H.263 not support for H.264
Now dont go on about H.264 being pointless with 3GP being a phone standard, these days phones have to become extensions of your PC, compatibility is of most importance, H.264 is future proof, and since we're going to end up paying quite a bit for the X1, it should be an all out power horse should'nt it?
EDIT: Btw did you see the Raphael has got video out, pity its using the 7201A processor and not the 7200A processor 
That means the powerVr GPU used was more powerful than the video accelerator integrated in the Qualcomm CPU. anyway if only Qualcomm utilized a separate ATi chip then the results will not be likely what is going on especially since Ati M100 chip has been for a while now.
Actually speaking the ATi impelentation is supposed to be better than the Power VR one, no idea why it's not being implemented properly, or the practical implemntation is'nt as effective as the theoretical one.
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razec
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On 2008-05-29 05:23:09, aksd wrote:
Actually speaking the ATi impelentation is supposed to be better than the Power VR one, no idea why it's not being implemented properly, or the practical implemntation is'nt as effective as the theoretical one.
[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-29 04:30 ]
Or it could be the fact that Qualcomm 7200A did not used ATi chip at all and instead used a weaker and cheaper chip?
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aksd
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Thats not possible as its a System on Chip, thats like 1 processor that does many things, The MSM7200A has the Ati chip built in as well as GPS, dual CPUs, 2 DSP etc.
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razec
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On 2008-05-29 05:40:06, aksd wrote:
Thats not possible as its a System on Chip, thats like 1 processor that does many things, The MSM7200A has the Ati chip built in as well as GPS, dual CPUs, 2 DSP etc.
What specific type of ATi chip then?
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aksd
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No idea, I have the white paper on the 7200 posted here earlier, no idea on specifics, a search on google might net you some results.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-29 05:23:09, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe
N95/E90/N81: VGA @ 30fps H.264(nothing else matters)
X1 EU version: VGA @ 15fps H.264(VGA @ 30 fps H.263)
X1 US version: VGA @ 30fps H.263 not support for H.264
Well those numbers alone don't tell the whole story. The next logical question is how is H.264 implemented in the Nokia's? IOW, all H.264 implementations aren't equal. Some devices support more components of the standard than others. IOW, depending on the codec, SE's mp4/30fps implementation could possibly look just as good as Nokia's H.264/30fps implementation. I'm just saying, those specs (above) alone don't make one better than the other.
Let's see:
E90 @ 30 fps H.264 with a 333MHz CPU.
X1 @ 15 fps H.264 with a 528MHz CPU.
I wonder if they both are using the same implementation of H.264 and bitrates?
An inferior implementation of H.264 would not look any better than mp4.
Just speculating though
Flame on.....
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taffypride
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Very sexy looking phone. Fell in love at first sight.
Questions - what version of Windows Mobile, can we change the web browser to something other than Internet Explorer, how big a memory card can you put in and the most important question of all - how much and what networks (PAYG or Monthly Contract)? |
iwantfatty
Joined: May 29, 2008
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I am also a little bit in love after seeing this phone, but I do have one question, is the screen gonna be glass AKA iphone style, or the awful plastic that I have on my W950i, which seemed to get a dent if I even looked at it funny
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Dogmann
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@WhyBe
Sorry i forgot to correct you earlier as you have one thing very wrong when you say,
"3gp is just a version of H.264 modified for the constraints of mobile phones."
As that is just not right 3gp and H.264 are both codecs of Mp4 and 3gp is not a codec of H.264 at all. 3gp is a lower quality codec designed to be used in Mobile phones but it is MP4.
For more information on 3gp check out this link
http://www.3gp.com/
Again what you are saying about 15fps being a better implementation than found on Nokia's is just absurd and there is just no evidence to prove this or how this would work in reality.
A lot depends on the source file you are converting from be it Avi, mpeg or whatever format it is.
My conversion from films and TV shows are all done @ 25fps and custom settings for the 800x352 screen.
For example an episode of Smallville is downloaded in Avi @624x352 @23fps so would not play in fullscreen on either my E90 or the X1 it needs to converted first to a format that is supported and in the case of the E90 that is H.264 as that gives the best quality.
A film like I am Legend also comes in Avi but in 678x288 @23fps so once again to play in full screen needs to converted to a format my device or the X1 supports.
You may find you will only be bale to convert to the lower quality 3gp as although the initial source is 23fps it plays smoothly at 25 fps H.264. It may not play smoothly at 15fps. If i have time later i may convert a file @15fps and see what the results are, but i really doubt it will play as well as @25fps.
So it may prove pointless in importing a Euro version that will have no warranty in the US just to get 15fps H.264.
Marc
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deepsme
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Some side by side pics of Touch Diamond, Xperia X1 and iPhone...
Pick and choose...
Source
here, have a puff  |
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