| Author |
Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1 discussion |
Indiandawg
Joined: Sep 18, 2004
Posts: > 500
From: Mumbai
PM |
Am too fried over Sony Ericsson now there is no value for time.. they just come out with the product anytime they want. No doubt there are good with software and hardware but you see Samsumg.. the reason why they are so successfull today is because they came out with all types of cell phones from mid range to luxirous range to PDA in a very short span of time.
When you have 10 other cell phones like x1 it makes no sense to wait for x1 just for few add on features. I've never used any other brand besides sony ericsson but right now am so fried over Sony Ericsson because they make me wait like a dog. p990i then P1i and now X1 ...
Do something about it SE u might just lose customers now..!!!
T200 -> T68i -> T610 -> K700i -> P910i -> W800i -> P990i -> M600i -> P1-> Nokia E71 -> X1i -> X10 -> Arc S -> Sony Z1 -> Sony Z Ultra -> Sony Z3+ -> iPhone 6 -> iPhone 7 Plus -> iPhone X -> iPhone XS Max | |
|
clauf
Joined: Jun 17, 2007
Posts: > 500
PM |
On 2008-05-28 07:11:19, mib1800 wrote:
Agree with you here. There are so many shells for WM that it really doesnt matter if SE comes out with a crap panel UI. You can just replace it Hardware wise, some area is still not up to standard.
e.g camera + video recording still cannot match N95/82, no accelerometer and in-built GPS capability is still very sketchy and finally no TV-out.
Funding is not required lol, TouchFlo has already been extracted even before the Diamond is out.
But not for non-standard WVGA screen of X1.  So for me, I dont see the attraction of X1 hardware over Diamond. I think the Diamond screen resolution is much better than X1 as you can be sure that you have no problem running 3rd party apps. For X1, you can't be sure you can get a working shell (if you are looking at replacing the panel software). At least for Diamond, you are assured to have some sort of Touch UI which look sleek and working.
I am looking to buy the Diamond to replace my Atom. X1 seems so bulky compared to Diamond.
@WhyBe
Where do I stand? I am looking to buy the HTC Diamond so I am not anti-WM. But I just see no attraction with the X1 (esp compared to Diamond):-
- Diamond is much lighter and smaller size
- No one is really sure how X1 panel suppose to work or what kind of capability it has. TouchFLO 3D is known and it looks very sleek
- X1 has non-standard WVGA resolution so there are a lot of question marks whether existing 3rd party apps (incl. freeware) will work properly.
- Going by SE tradition, X1 price will be sky-high
- Diamond is available about now but X1 release at best is Nov this year.
Hardware-wise, there is nothing to shout about with X1. N95-8G/N82 has much better camera and video recording than X1 plus other stuff like accelerometer and tv-out. Hardware wise X1 is nothing special next to a Diamond or N-series. So I cannot understand why you are so euphoric over the X1.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2008-05-28 06:13 ]
I don't know if we can simply assume X1 has worst camera than N95, at least not at the momemnt. There are no proper reviews of the phone other than by that BengalBoy [and that isn't a proper review anyway]. BTW, the unit by BengalBoy was an older unit. And you can't simply compare prototype phone to a developed phone with many new firmwares. Megapixel count isn't everything...
The comparision of the Diamond to X1 is more suitable as they are both Windows devices.
1) Diamond is a smaller size but then again u loose the keyboard.
2) TouchFlo 3D in Diamond is amazing I agree, but it's safe to say that you can use TouchFlo 3D in any Windows Mobile 6.1 device [well you must have the proper specs such as ram, in which the X1 has]. Like you said earlier, there are MANY different customizations in Windows Mobile, and actually, Mobile-Review did an article about this. I'm just going to slap on the TouchFlo 3D or other apps to replace the default homescreen if Sony Ericsson doesn't do that already. To me, the panel interface is a fancy "programs list" that has limitations to nine programs.
3) On the flip side, you get amazing screen with WVGA resoolution.
4) Sky High? I'm not too sure. Price could be comparable to N-series, as Xperia is flagship to Sony Ericsson right?
5) Can't comment on that one. Yes I agree.
But I got a new one for you now.
*X1 is Quaband/Diamond is Triband. As well, the X1 features 3G America and Europe* |
aksd
Joined: Nov 11, 2005
Posts: > 500
From: UK, India
PM, WWW
|
WhyBe,
What makes a great handset, well in the Xperia league, a handset that pushes the limits where technology is concerned in all areas from predecessor models, while providing the user with a stable experience. This is what the N95 did  , not that I'm a fan of the N95. The Xperia is not revolutionary but evolutionary, its an evolution of the HTC TyTn II or the Tilt as you refer to it in the US. The only thing worth upgrading for is the RAM imo, the screen is nice as well, but all the other features are mediocre in the least, very last year. I expected devices running latest generation processors such as Humble posted, the Snapdragon etc. this year, maybe my expectations were too high. Lets wait and see, the year end is still 7 months away . Also the X1 is'nt as significant an improvement over the TyTn II platform as most people would have liked, to justify an upgrade of say 900 USD after paying 900 USD for the TyTn II a year or less ago.
If you meant developers have to develop finger friendly apps, there are already tonnes of them available. So thats not an issue at all.
[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-28 12:07 ] |
Cyber.bee
Joined: Apr 20, 2007
Posts: 33
PM |
In a german preview of the Diamond its stated that on full power gsm signal the battery lasts only 2,5 hours. That is absolutely inacceptable! Of what use is a phone whose battery is that weak? With this weak battery the Diamonds kicks itself out of the market!
I believe X1 will do this job way better...
Besides that, even with TouchFlo 3D you end up on the basic WM UI as soon as you open any business app. So what´s the matter about this UI question? It will be fine with me to be able to use the D-Pad Mouse for scrolling through websites or docs, for every other task I got used to the stylus or managed it with my finger. That IPhone UI is for kids in my eyes... eye candy nothing more! |
Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: > 500
From: London England
PM |
Hi WhyBe
Well seeing as you asked i will answer i don't hate the X1 far from it especially as it will be the most powerful smart phone from SE. I just wished they made an UIQ equivalent as that would be more interesting for me.
But unlike some i don't think it is a Multimedia power house the fact it uses the inferior 3gp and has a lower quality support for H.264 proves that IMO.
I am also unlike some am concerned at just what impact the panels will have on both battery life and speed of the OS. Which is again why i keep on saying we need to wait and see how it performs once delivered rather then just believing it will be brilliant.
The other point is we know only to well SE place a premium price on their products at least on launch so need to see what else is available when it is launched and what price they are in comparison. As despite what many think the world isn't full of SE fans and price on a premium product is a factor for many making this type of purchase.
But as i keep on saying until it is actually available to buy and real users start reporting on it's performance it's best to reserve judgement until then.
Now the final question would i buy one? i seriously doubt it as i am just no longer a big touch screen fan and that doesn't mean anyone else shouldn't or can't be it is just I'm not.
Also my current device has a better larger screen, a much better browser than PIE, and better Multimedia support as well, and i also prefer my larger QWERTY to the X1's. So for me there really isn't anything it offers that would justify me selling my current device and spending loads more money on it.
Marc
_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-28 14:21 ] |
ScoreP
Joined: Nov 07, 2007
Posts: 14
PM |
I always have an SE smart phone starting from p800 (including with all the problems of p990 etc.). I really like xperia x1 but it is going to be released in Nov and it looks like may be SE becoming too late to release xperia x1 as spec wise HTC/T-mobile vario IV is almost simillar and quite tempting except screen, video recording, batery life etc. check this out:
http://www.slashphone.com/t-m[....]pact-iv-and-mda-vario-iv-28550
But I am still going to wait for SE to release xperia x1 as soney is style.
|
drgopoos
Joined: Dec 02, 2004
Posts: 307
From: Toronto
PM |
I dont know how many here have used tytn II.
Its the best phone i have used. ( mind u i have tired and tested virtually all the symbian - Nokia and SE handsets)
I have installed so many applications and it has never hung on me for the last few months. The PC sync too is 100 % ( I hate SE for screwing my outlook)
Tytn did froze at times but tytn II seems so near perfect ( except video driver- i never play videos)
Talking of xperia, i fear there are some issues. SE has just increased the RAM to 256MB. Something to think abt. I will wait for the intial reviews before i put my step in.
Meanwhile , HTC will be releasing some new phone in the next 6 months and should beat SE. ( remember its more than an year since tytn II has been released.) |
WhyBe
Joined: Apr 02, 2008
Posts: > 500
From: Ohio, USA
PM |
On 2008-05-28 16:39:58, ScoreP wrote:
I always have an SE smart phone starting from p800 (including with all the problems of p990 etc.). I really like xperia x1 but it is going to be released in Nov and it looks like may be SE becoming too late to release xperia x1 as spec wise HTC/T-mobile vario IV is almost simillar and quite tempting except screen, video recording, batery life etc. check this out:
http://www.slashphone.com/t-m[....]pact-iv-and-mda-vario-iv-28550
But I am still going to wait for SE to release xperia x1 as soney is style.
I'm supposing this is the Raphael? |
Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: > 500
From: London England
PM |
@WhyBe
Yes it is, and i have pointed out in the relevant thread this will be available months before the X1. Also it is very likely to be in various Network branded versions to so just who will buy the X1 later and Sim Free? is the biggest question.
Business users are used to getting there devices subsidized or free so i really doubt they will want to pay for a Sim Free X1 at a premium price. This i think besides it coming to market later is going to be it's biggest hurdle to over come and be successful. As really there are just not enough SE fans that are going to be willing to buy it sim free as opposed to heavily subsidized by a Network.
Unfortunately this goes for the US to where HTC also have carrier branded and subsidized versions that again will be available months before the X1. I really can't see carriers carrying a device so similar to one they already have.
Marc
_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-28 20:48 ] |
WhyBe
Joined: Apr 02, 2008
Posts: > 500
From: Ohio, USA
PM |
On 2008-05-28 21:46:21, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
Yes it is, and i have pointed out in the relevant thread this will be available months before the X1. Also it is very likely to be in various Network branded versions to so just who will buy the X1 later and Sim Free? is the biggest question.
Business users are used to getting there devices subsidized or free so i really doubt they will want to pay for a Sim Free X1 at a premium price. This i think besides it coming to market later is going to be it's biggest hurdle to over come and be successful. As really there are just not enough SE fans that are going to be willing to buy it sim free as opposed to heavily subsidized by a Network.
Unfortunately this goes for the US to where HTC also have carrier branded and subsidized versions that again will be available months before the X1. I really can't see carriers carrying a device so similar to one they already have.
Marc
Well, I will for one. I don't expect to get X1 subsidized because I didn't get my p910 that way either. I'm also looking into getting the X1i, as opposed to the X1a to remove the video framerate restriction. I believe the HSDPA band in my area (2100) will work with the 'i' version.
There are obviously going to be contenders to the X1 as we have seen in this thread. But for me, the magic formula for me to choose any device is features, relative small size and sexiness. I need all three. I'll check out the Raphael and Diamond when my at&t buddy starts carrying them around, but, I doubt if they will have the appeal to me the way X1 does. I like the "complete package" supposedly being offered by  . So I don't mind waiting for the U.S. Christmas season to release the X1.
But unlike some i don't think it is a Multimedia power house the fact it uses the inferior 3gp and has a lower quality support for H.264 proves that IMO.
Don't forget the N95 has a lower video resolution while the X1 does video at VGA resolution. 3gp is just a version of H.264 modified for the constraints of mobile phones.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-28 22:04 ] |
S4k1s
Joined: Mar 09, 2005
Posts: > 500
From: Sweden
PM |
On 2008-05-28 22:36:57, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-05-28 21:46:21, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
Yes it is, and i have pointed out in the relevant thread this will be available months before the X1. Also it is very likely to be in various Network branded versions to so just who will buy the X1 later and Sim Free? is the biggest question.
Business users are used to getting there devices subsidized or free so i really doubt they will want to pay for a Sim Free X1 at a premium price. This i think besides it coming to market later is going to be it's biggest hurdle to over come and be successful. As really there are just not enough SE fans that are going to be willing to buy it sim free as opposed to heavily subsidized by a Network.
Unfortunately this goes for the US to where HTC also have carrier branded and subsidized versions that again will be available months before the X1. I really can't see carriers carrying a device so similar to one they already have.
Marc
Well, I will for one. I don't expect to get X1 subsidized because I didn't get my p910 that way either. I'm also looking into getting the X1i, as opposed to the X1a to remove the video framerate restriction. I believe the HSDPA band in my area (2100) will work with the 'i' version.
There are obviously going to be contenders to the X1 as we have seen in this thread. But for me, the magic formula for me to choose any device is features, relative small size and sexiness. I need all three. I'll check out the Raphael and Diamond when my at&t buddy starts carrying them around, but, I doubt if they will have the appeal to me the way X1 does. I like the "complete package" supposedly being offered by . So I don't mind waiting for the U.S. Christmas season to release the X1.
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;] |
WhyBe
Joined: Apr 02, 2008
Posts: > 500
From: Ohio, USA
PM |
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
So, I'll take the Lamborghini while you drive the bus |
Dogmann
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Posts: > 500
From: London England
PM |
@WhyBe
I have no idea why you brought the N95 into the conversation but the E90 i have has a 4" inch screen and the video quality in H.264 is nothing short of stunning. Actually you are wrong 3gp is meant for the constraints of a mobile, which is why nearly every mobile supports it but not the better quality H.264. so I'm afraid you have that the wrong way round.
OK so you are going to happy to drop a load of $$$$'s for an X1 but do you really think businesses are? or even your average WM smart phone user who is used to getting their devices subsidized? of course assuming they will wait the extra months for the X1 to arrive.
I am not bashing the X1 just pointing out that it has some serious competition to over come and especially on price.
Marc
_________________
Nokia E90,8GB SDHC, Fring, Seven, Tom Tom 6
Coming soon BlackBerry Bold
Honoured to have won BEST DEBATER
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-28 22:29 ] |
WhyBe
Joined: Apr 02, 2008
Posts: > 500
From: Ohio, USA
PM |
On 2008-05-28 23:28:12, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
...Actually you are wrong 3gp is meant for the constraints of a mobile, which is why nearly every mobile supports it but not the better quality H.264. so I'm afraid you have that the wrong way round.
/font>
No, you read it backwards. You just repeated what I said.
I have no idea why you brought the N95 into the conversation but the E90 i have has a 4" inch screen and the video quality in H.264 is nothing short of stunning.
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-28 22:52 ] |
S4k1s
Joined: Mar 09, 2005
Posts: > 500
From: Sweden
PM |
On 2008-05-28 23:06:03, WhyBe wrote:
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
So, I'll take the Lamborghini while you drive the bus
So the Lambo can sex u up?
Sry I fail to get your point. | |
|
Access the forum with a mobile phone via esato.mobi
|
Posted: 2008-05-28 09:59
