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d-southwest
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How will the high resulotie effect tha games and apps?
Will tha frames fit?
And will it be nice to watch?
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clauf
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I think Sony Ericsson would be including their own games... would be interesting to see what they come up with too. They unfortunately don't have an accelerometer in the X1, but hopefully the game can make use of the D-Pad, optical dpad, and perhaps even the keyboard.
I feel like I'm spamming the forums but I accidentally posted on the Whitepaper revision topic. Anyway my question would be, because this phone would have 256 MB ram, do you think the HTC Diamond interface: TouchFlo 3D Manila would work in this phone? I would think maybe the screensize may be a little odd...
Anyway, I just want Sony Ericsson to get rid of the windows Mobile look. Thank god we have X-Panels, but that's not enough. I would like Sony Ericsson to include something like TouchFlo 3D to replace that ugly home screen and provide fast shortcuts to browse photos, play music, read text messages, schedules, and notes application. This interface has been seen in Touchflo3D and Sony Ericsson's very own UIQ 3.0 devuces, |
MYB87
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even with the touchflo 3d you will end up using the regular windows UI |
WhyBe
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On 2008-05-26 09:49:49, clauf wrote:
...Anyway, I just want Sony Ericsson to get rid of the windows Mobile look. Thank god we have X-Panels, but that's not enough. I would like Sony Ericsson to include something like TouchFlo 3D to replace that ugly home screen and provide fast shortcuts to browse photos, play music, read text messages, schedules, and notes application. This interface has been seen in Touchflo3D and Sony Ericsson's very own UIQ 3.0 devuces,
With X-panels you are only two presses away from any app. How can you beat that? 
As far as the Windows Mobile look, from what I've seen so far, the Sony apps don't have that look. Of course, it's all dependent upon how any specific app is written.
It seems to me the huge delay for the X1 is due to the development time required for custom X1 apps. If they wanted users to rely on legacy WM software, they probably could have released the X1 by now.
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Messaging, emails, other available apps, any default windows apps will all be normal windows. What SE is doing is doing is developing a set of apps such as camera, today screen, RSS feeds, multimedia app etc.. which will be touch friendly. But when you do use it in everyday use you'll still get to se quite a bit of default windows, unless like some people all you do on your phone is turn it on use the cam and media player and thats about it, but generally for a person buying the X1 thats definately not what he has in mind.
Touch Flo also is the same, and thats basically a today screen plugin, should be able to port it to the X1, even though theres a resolution problem, what might happen would be some more empty space on the screen.
@WHyBe
The delay however does not include them "waiting" for X1 apps, if you believe this you will be sorely disappointed. I have from a reliable source that the delay is because they're taking time iover software optimization and localization. If they were "waiting" for devs to write apps, dont you think theyd need to havea frame work for developers to work on, or do the devs just know how the "modified" OS as you think it is works?
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Any idea when we will actually be able to buy this phone? Or will it take as long as the P990 between anouncement and release? |
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I've heard from other websites that the release has been pushed back to November. When I asked a few friends working for SE service and marketing, it seems that they're not too sure, usually 2-3 months before a product launch there are training sessions etc., nothing of that sort has started for the X1 yet. So its anybodys bet, Sept-Dec anytime lol. But if they release it too late, a few other manufacturers are planning to have WM7 phones out late this year or early next year, WM7 is an "Actual" finger friendly OS and not a "wannabe" half developed stuff like Touch Flo or SE's panels. We should just wait and watch. If the X1 had an accelerometer I'd assume that it would be all set for a WM7 upgrade, still..........its too early to actually predict anything, wait and watch is all we can do.
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-26 19:53:18, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe
The delay however does not include them "waiting" for X1 apps, if you believe this you will be sorely disappointed. I have from a reliable source that the delay is because they're taking time iover software optimization and localization. If they were "waiting" for devs to write apps, dont you think theyd need to havea frame work for developers to work on, or do the devs just know how the "modified" OS as you think it is works?
Well,  said so within the first minute of their annoucement video.
Don't these applicants get the framework?
Assuming WM and drivers are finalized, what's left but to develop apps? I don't believe would hire programmers so deficient in skills that they are taking all of this time to provide us with the same thing every other WM manufacturer has already given us. That's just not believable. |
clauf
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HAHA askd: I'm one of those who are buying the X1 just using the simple features: media, camera, and good organizing. Honestly I should consider G series phones but nah... X1 looks better.
I don't mind them pushing back the date [actually I do mind since it will be cheaper for me when I get it in christmas], but as long as it's stable, I'll be a happy man.
It would be nice if they could throw in a Sony Ericsson themed Opera Browser. =D
I just noticed something: if you view all the official pics at Xperia's website, none of them had the "windows logo" on the panel key [which is now the "X Panel"] I guess it was intended to be changed.
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aksd
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Are you blind? I said they'll have basic apps, but SMSing and email etc will be default WM so will all the settings etc., I ask again, have you ever used a WM phone in your life? I've spoken to people who have used the X1 and they have affirmed what I have been saying all along. The panels is a launcher, there are a few finger friendly apps, just like on the current gen HTC although there are a few more finger firendly apps than on the current gen HTC and the media player is supposed to be nice.
There is NO change to the WM UI, there is NO modified SDK for developers to use, the start menu still looks the same.
Ifyou read the link you posted, like I mentioned several times earlier the apps they want are WVGA, nothig to do with any framework as that framework does'nt exist. Do you know that to write an entire SDK with a framework takes close to 2-3 years for completion? And dont you think its stupid to waste resources on a framework when this is the last few months of Win CE 5.0? Do you actually think that SE want to release a phone with a modified OS so that it'll reduce the apps available and devs working for the X1? The screen is issue enough, doing what you think they're going to do is commercial suicide, anyway its not going to happen so......big deal  . BTW where exactly is this "framework" for me to download and write programs for the X1? can I have a link please?
@clauf
Each to his own , but what I meant was the X1's target audience is not the basic user .
The X can be remapped to the start menu if required, SE are trying to make the X1 user friendly, but its a difficult task. If they're releasing it in Nov/Dec they might as well plonk WM7 onto it and save themselves a lot of trouble
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clauf
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On 2008-05-27 03:42:29, aksd wrote:
@clauf
Each to his own , but what I meant was the X1's target audience is not the basic user .
The X can be remapped to the start menu if required, SE are trying to make the X1 user friendly, but its a difficult task. If they're releasing it in Nov/Dec they might as well plonk WM7 onto it and save themselves a lot of trouble
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hmmm... maybe with X2, they'll do what they did to X1 - announce it Q4 and not allow anyone to touch it, only showing the new X interface. Turns out they will be hiding WM7 underneath.
*Continues Dreaming*
I do hope microsoft releases Windows 7 Mobile next year: microsoft is prone to delaying operating systems. |
razec
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could it be that one of the two models shown on JavaOne congress video the X2?
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WhyBe
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On 2008-05-27 03:42:29, aksd wrote:
...There is NO change to the WM UI, there is NO modified SDK for developers to use, the start menu still looks the same.
Ifyou read the link you posted, like I mentioned several times earlier the apps they want are WVGA, nothig to do with any framework as that framework does'nt exist. Do you know that to write an entire SDK with a framework takes close to 2-3 years for completion? And dont you think its stupid to waste resources on a framework when this is the last few months of Win CE 5.0? Do you actually think that SE want to release a phone with a modified OS so that it'll reduce the apps available and devs working for the X1? The screen is issue enough, doing what you think they're going to do is commercial suicide, anyway its not going to happen so......big deal . BTW where exactly is this "framework" for me to download and write programs for the X1? can I have a link please?
@aksd:
I don't remember anyone purporting that is altering Windows/framework in any sort of way. All I ever stated was that and developers are designing custom apps for the X1. Since many apps won't be "right" for the hires screen, it only makes sense for third parties to have some "Xperia"-type products ready to purchase at launch. And it only makes sense that all of the built in X1 apps are "Xperia"-type apps. All of this can be done on top of WM in the same manner that TouchFlo is. There doesn't have to be any reworking of the OS. All that is needed is time to get this software "right".
This gives us a good starting point at launch instead of trying to make standard WM apps work with the hires screen. Since is marketing this thing as a premium product delivering a premium experience, one should expect the software to match the quality of the hardware. I'm willing to allow the extra time for to accomplish this. |
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On 2008-05-26 20:47:13, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-05-26 19:53:18, aksd wrote:
@WhyBe
The delay however does not include them "waiting" for X1 apps, if you believe this you will be sorely disappointed. I have from a reliable source that the delay is because they're taking time iover software optimization and localization. If they were "waiting" for devs to write apps, dont you think theyd need to havea frame work for developers to work on, or do the devs just know how the "modified" OS as you think it is works?
Well, said so within the first minute of their annoucement video.
Don't these applicants get the framework?
Assuming WM and drivers are finalized, what's left but to develop apps? I don't believe would hire programmers so deficient in skills that they are taking all of this time to provide us with the same thing every other WM manufacturer has already given us. That's just not believable.
Let's hope the same programmer who worked on the P990 do NOT work on the X1.
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