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wahehe15
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Posts: 111
From: Senippilihp
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@Vit
Picture no. 1 & 3 looks ok,
but the rest is a no no  |
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Vit
Joined: Nov 13, 2007
Posts: 279
From: Brazil
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On 2009-11-10 15:01:27, wahehe15 wrote:
@Vit
Picture no. 1 & 3 looks ok,
but the rest is a no no
Sorry, pal, but simply stating they are a "no-no" is not a particularly precise way of criticize something...
All of these shots were taken @ ISO 100. Pics 2-4 were taken under extremely low light conditions. The bottle of "cachaça" is right on focus and the picture has a very smooth level of noise for that rough condition. Those stairs were taken with the phone in handheld condition, so it was virtually impossible to get it @ the maximum sharpness. Pictures @ the bar have been taken with manual focus and sometimes it's difficult to get it right, as we've got a small screen to look at. Anyway, if you take a look (as apparently you have not) at that yellow bottle with a glass beside it, you'll see it's extremely well focused (see the water drops in it). Most of those bar shots are extremely sharp and well lit, with almost no visible noise. Another thing to bear in mind is that these pictures are still highly compressed by Picasa (3-4 Mb to 300kb), what means that they still are not shown at their full glory. I really don't get your "no-no" simplist criticism.
Anyway, if you can take better low-light indoors than these (in similar conditions), be my guest and post them here.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-10 14:38 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
Posts: > 500
From: USA
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@VIT,
thanks for the pictures.. is this from your mixed 4.1+ dm3.5 driver?
I also noticed that most of your shots are taken with the camera on a flat surface.. My personal use for a camera phone is not so much professional landscape shots, where I have time to prepare a scene, position the camera correctly, and fiddle with the camera settings for a few minutes.
I want to use this camera for every day use when I go places, vacations, or when I just want to capture a moment, and I need to pull out my camera and take a picture very quickly.
With all that said, I think that DM3.5/3.8 would work better for me, and provide the right balance between ease of use, and quality of images.
From what I have seen, the CBE 4.1 driver is not so good on auto settings, or to be used as a quick point and shoot camera driver.
Please let me know if I am incorrect here.
thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-10 14:41 ] |
penguin_xp
Joined: Oct 08, 2009
Posts: 65
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I agree with jake. 
CBE 4.1 is not a quick point and shoot camera. I've also tried this camdriver and I was so confused with the right settings in order to get a good shot. In my opinion, this camdriver is not suitable to use in everyday situation wherein you can see something which you want take a shot in a matter of a few seconds. However, this is a good camera (I guess) to those who are used to adjust settings first before taking a shot. Although, you may still need to configure the right mixture of settings just to get a good shot that you want.
That's just my opinion...  |
riksilvers
Joined: May 13, 2009
Posts: 139
From: Otley, West Yorkshire, UK
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So far for me DM35 is the easy one for just snapping away. Shame you can't have 2 camdriver files in your phone one for arty and one for snappy and both with their own menus..
@Vit
Original + DM 3.5
I set ISO 100 yet photo shows ISO 200 !?!
[ This Message was edited by: riksilvers on 2009-11-10 15:59 ] |
Vit
Joined: Nov 13, 2007
Posts: 279
From: Brazil
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On 2009-11-10 16:21:36, penguin_xp wrote:
I agree with jake.
CBE 4.1 is not a quick point and shoot camera. I've also tried this camdriver and I was so confused with the right settings in order to get a good shot. In my opinion, this camdriver is not suitable to use in everyday situation wherein you can see something which you want take a shot in a matter of a few seconds. However, this is a good camera (I guess) to those who are used to adjust settings first before taking a shot. Although, you may still need to configure the right mixture of settings just to get a good shot that you want.
That's just my opinion...
... Well... I am really feeling kind of frustrated, because I've never said it was the best all around camdriver, even if it's not that nightmare you depicted either. I feel that everything that I wrote about the driver was like writing to the wind. Have you at least taken a look at my previous posts? I find it perfectly suitable for the job if you intend to use it in AUTO mode. It's exactly the same as the original driver if you do not change anything. Anyway, I am tired of repeating everything over and over again.
In the meantime, I will try to cut some of those manual features of it and leave just the necessary for take good slow shutter shots. That way it's gonna be a good all around, in my opinion. My plan is to reduce manual settings to these:
- Manual focus;
- Manual saturation;
- Color balance (cyan-red);
- Color balance (yellow-blue);
For the rest, I guess I'll leave just as my mixed DM 3.5 + Original.
(tell me what you think about it)
On 2009-11-10 16:51:24, riksilvers wrote:
So far for me DM35 is the easy one for just snapping away. Shame you can't have 2 camdriver files in your phone one for arty and one for snappy and both with their own menus..
@Vit
Original + DM 3.5
I set ISO 100 yet photo shows ISO 200 !?!
[ This Message was edited by: riksilvers on 2009-11-10 15:59 ]
Did you use the flash? I guess that flash shots are all taken with ISO 200.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-10 16:19 ] Every Picture Tells a Story |
riksilvers
Joined: May 13, 2009
Posts: 139
From: Otley, West Yorkshire, UK
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On 2009-11-10 17:03:50, Vit wrote:
On 2009-11-10 16:21:36, penguin_xp wrote:
I agree with jake.
CBE 4.1 is not a quick point and shoot camera. I've also tried this camdriver and I was so confused with the right settings in order to get a good shot. In my opinion, this camdriver is not suitable to use in everyday situation wherein you can see something which you want take a shot in a matter of a few seconds. However, this is a good camera (I guess) to those who are used to adjust settings first before taking a shot. Although, you may still need to configure the right mixture of settings just to get a good shot that you want.
That's just my opinion...
... Well... I am really feeling kind of frustrated, because I've never said it was the best all around camdriver, even if it's not that nightmare you depicted either. I feel that everything that I wrote about the driver was like writing to the wind. Have you at least taken a look at my previous posts? I find it perfectly suitable for the job if you intend to use it in AUTO mode. It's exactly the same as the original driver if you do not change anything. Anyway, I am tired of repeating everything over and over again.
On 2009-11-10 16:51:24, riksilvers wrote:
So far for me DM35 is the easy one for just snapping away. Shame you can't have 2 camdriver files in your phone one for arty and one for snappy and both with their own menus..
@Vit
Original + DM 3.5
I set ISO 100 yet photo shows ISO 200 !?!
Did you use the flash? I guess that flash shots are all taken with ISO 200.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-10 16:06 ]
Yes I used flash.
@penguin_xp
@ jake
CBE 4.1 is a great driver. You just need to learn how to use it....DM35 would suit more your needs by the look of what your saying. No one said you have to use CBE 4.1.
You might find the new DM38 (when it's out) too complicated too.
Just stick with one of the early DM camdrivers in that case. Still better than the original camdriver.
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penguin_xp
Joined: Oct 08, 2009
Posts: 65
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@Vit
@riksilvers
Please don't get me wrong...I have nothing against the CBE 4.1. and I really appreciate the work of Vit and the other modders. Just like my previous post, that is just my opinion. The truth is I also like a camdriver with a bit of manual settings wherein I can control the shots that I would like to take. I also did not say that CBE 4.1 or the ones edited by Vit is not a great camdriver. If I said it on my previous post, sorry but that is not what I meant. I just want to say that CBE 4.1 is a bit complicated than the other camdrivers, even with DM 3.8. Actually, I'm looking forward with DM's camdriver. I liked the idea of the manual shutter speed, ISO, and focus.
Anyway, I'm also looking forward to the camdriver that Vit will edit. Reducing the manual settings to the most important ones.
[ This Message was edited by: penguin_xp on 2009-11-10 16:53 ] |
jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
Posts: > 500
From: USA
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@Vit
thanks for all of you help, i appreciate it, and please do not take any comments made here personally.
the information you have taken time to post here has been very helpful to me, whether I decide to use your driver or not.
I do know that I have loaded your mixed mode driver, and taken some low light comparison shots in AUTO mode, and they did not come out as good as DM3.5, so that is what I am basing my comments on.
Please do not stop posting! Everyone's input here will only lead to the best possible driver for us all to use 
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mikely_28
Joined: Mar 15, 2009
Posts: 466
From: Poland
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On 2009-11-09 01:33:13, jake20 wrote:
Hi mikely,
Can you post some of your DM3.8 night shots that have come out brilliant as you say?
I am very curious to see them!! and what settings did you use for them?
thanks
Sure!
All night mode ISO 200
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penguin_xp
Joined: Oct 08, 2009
Posts: 65
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Here are some sample pics I took using Vit's Original+DM3.5 camdriver:
With Flash:
Without flash:
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jake20
Joined: Jan 23, 2009
Posts: > 500
From: USA
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@mikely & penguin
nice pics! but I honestly cannot tell if they are better or worse than DM 3.5 or not.
its so hard to tell unless you have comparison shots.
@penguin,
what settings did you use for your shots?
specifically the 5th picture of the cars going by on the street.
thanks
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-10 18:37 ] |
penguin_xp
Joined: Oct 08, 2009
Posts: 65
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On daylight shots, I always use landscape scene, ISO is set to auto in order to get ISO 64, EV value is reduced to -0.7 to -2.0 depending on the brightness of the day, white balance is daylight.
I always use twilight landscape when shooting night pics outdoors (except for close-up shots, I use twilight portrait).
On that particular shot, I adjusted EV value to -0.3 to reduce a bit the exposure of the lights, ISO auto, white balance auto. |
edwardob
Joined: Oct 20, 2009
Posts: 127
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i think everyone is doing marvelous work...here.....work that sony ericsson should have done in first place.
all the drivers are better than the original.
i suppose if we wanted the perfect camera.....that's what we should do...buy a camera!this is a phone afterall.
now i a completely happy to bring it with me on holiday...without having to also carry my canon ixus.i even bought the se stand for still shots.
i'm using dm 3.5 at moment....afer trying all others only because i'm comfortable with settings.
i like what vit is doing...something i could'nt do.
the idea of having control when you want is great......auto when your're in a hurry!
i just not fully understanding ev...iso and so on..and the connection between them..so i'm standing back at moment.
this last few day have been great learning curve....so it won't be long now before i dive in.
i think from my reading over the last few days there is something here for everyone..just take your pick!
these lads are doing great work...only let's give them more thanks.......because they deserve it |
wahehe15
Joined: Aug 19, 2009
Posts: 111
From: Senippilihp
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@vit
your pics are no good
but I know you can do better
look at mikely_28's pics 
they're good
i think everyone is doing marvelous work...here.....work that sony ericsson should have done in first place.
all the drivers are better than the original.
i suppose if we wanted the perfect camera.....that's what we should do...buy a camera!this is a phone afterall.
Why should we buy a camera if c905 is better than a camera(this is what I think...the c905 is still better than any camera except slr cameras), and DM can do a better driver to improve c905's camera 
[ This Message was edited by: wahehe15 on 2009-11-10 22:29 ] |
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