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K850i vs N95 pic quality |
AbuBasim
Joined: Nov 04, 2005
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It's surprising that the noise reduction in the N95 is more aggressive than in the K850i, as the N95 most likely needs less of it, with it's larger sensor. N95 has a 1/2.5" Micron MT9P001 sensor, while the K850i has "only" a 1/2.8" Sony IMX020.
With some slight tweaking or new firmware where the strength of the noise reduction and sharpening could be a user-adjustable setting, the N95 would easily beat the K850i.
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BobaFett
Joined: Jan 06, 2004
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From: Kamino (wish it would be Lund)
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i have a short qusetion. i never made any settings when i took a pic with a cam fone ( except flash on/off ) and i have to admit, the pix are ok for the reason i did it. do those fine settings really counts? are there really so many differences at the result?
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C905
Joined: Jul 08, 2007
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From: Denmark
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On 2007-11-03 18:49:05, BobaFett wrote:
i have a short qusetion. i never made any settings when i took a pic with a cam fone ( except flash on/off ) and i have to admit, the pix are ok for the reason i did it. do those fine settings really counts? are there really so many differences at the result?
good settings make good pictures and bad settings make okay pictures  |
mib1800
Joined: Mar 18, 2004
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Amp34
I am even not saying that N95 wins over K850 in every shots. But in general shots from N95 is clearer, sharper and have better color. In some (but not every) shots the sharpening may be too much.
Why dont you use your "expertise" to explain to us why you still can vehemently proclaimed I quote "K850 wins hands down" unquote in photo details when it quite clearly show in the following comparisons that your conclusion is far from accurate.
http://www.phonedaily.com/news/?news_id=6166
http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html
http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok
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C905
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From: Denmark
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@ mib1800
check out mobile-reviews review of the k850 camera |
mib1800
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@k850_successor:
Check out the review of this
http://smape.com/en/reviews/n[....]Ericsson_K850ivsNokia_N95.html
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C905
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From: Denmark
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he he, i have checked it out before |
mib1800
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On 2007-11-03 19:46:35, k850 successor wrote:
he he, i have checked it out before
I have also read mobile-review. But the reviewer dont give me confident when he say the video recording of all N-series (except n95,93) as mediocre and K800/750 video recording as good. 
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C905
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i mus admit, the recording abilities on my k850 arent the best one found on market
i can for sure say that my goog old n95 was better to record, but the k850 is still the champ, when talking about still pictures |
technical-expert
Joined: Mar 13, 2007
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From: Pacific Rim
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@K850 successor
musT admit, the  recording abilities on my k850 arent the best one found on market 
i can for sure say that my goog old n95 was better to record, but the k850 is still the champ  , when talking about still pictures
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plankgatan
Joined: May 20, 2007
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From: Sweden fur alle
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check this out, (at last a picture with good sunshine..here it realy showes what a awesome camera k850 have.......this picture blows everything away bigtime.
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croatia
Joined: Aug 06, 2003
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From: zagreb croatia europe
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make some photos on same size paper (till 20x30cm) with booth phones,nokia got too much colours on paper photos isn't easter people,only on paper u can c does is photo bad or good,believe me i was printed many photos from k750i 10x15cm till k800i 13x18 and 15x21cm here in Zagreb in profi photo studio
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Amp34
Joined: Nov 03, 2007
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On 2007-11-03 19:38:58, mib1800 wrote:
Amp34
I am even not saying that N95 wins over K850 in every shots. But in general shots from N95 is clearer, sharper and have better color. In some (but not every) shots the sharpening may be too much.
Why dont you use your "expertise" to explain to us why you still can vehemently proclaimed I quote "K850 wins hands down" unquote in photo details when it quite clearly show in the following comparisons that your conclusion is far from accurate.
Firstly, vehemently, I didn't vehemently proclaim anything, secondly, if you quote the whole of the quote:
"So IMO N95 better colour rendition but K850 better noise reduction and sharpening so for me the K850 wins hands down. "
"For me" is the important bit there. I believe that for my uses the K850 "win hands down", my second post exanded that:
"IMO I think both cameras are very close quality wise, it's just the N95 is let down quite a lot by the pot processing the phone applies to the pictures."
Your argument seems to hinge on that one set of pictures, yes the N95 pictures are quite a lot better but those photos (from the K850) don't seem to be representative of the actual quality of photo (which is shown by looking at all the other links). We will have to agree to disagree here as I believe that yes the N95 does have better colour representation (although that is due to software and about half the time it goes over the top) the K850 images are actually sharper and clearer.
AbuBasim
With some slight tweaking or new firmware where the strength of the noise reduction and sharpening could be a user-adjustable setting, the N95 would easily beat the K850i.
That is something I would really love to have (and have wanted since the K800), a user customisable NR and sharpening settings. |
mongoose3800
Joined: Nov 29, 2005
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From: Australia
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There's little doubt that the N95 process its images. But, people are saying the K850 has more detail and can be fixed later by processing yourself. Looking at the side by side crops above I can't see how you could possibly make the K850 photos just a good. The K850 shots are not just grainy they have no sharpness to them at all. Last time I went to my optomotrist my eyes were o.k. so i'm pretty sure my eyes aren't letting me down.
So, to those of you say the K850 shots are better than the N95 shots because you can clean them up later - prove it. Go to the web site where these images came from ( http://mobil.idnes.cz/sony-er[....]24_212325_mob_sonyericsson_vok ) save both examples, do you own processing on them and show us the results. |
mib1800
Joined: Mar 18, 2004
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Amp34
That is something I would really love to have (and have wanted since the K800), a user customisable NR and sharpening settings
Well, N95 has a 3 level sharpness setting. There was a bug in early firmware which cause the sharpness level to revert to "high" when you adjust any of the mode settings. Later firmware fixed this. The mobile-review.com review was done quite sometime ago and most likely the N95 used have the early firmware with this bug. I would'nt be surprise that's the reason why those photos (which you used to define your argument  ) has such oversharpening effect due to this bug.
However, later reviews from mobil.cz/phonearena show the N95 photos does not have so extreme auto-sharpened as before. Like I say, you may want to crop the picts from later reviews and show us how you arrived at your conclusion.
plankgatan
Can you stop it!! . If you want to praise K850 picts to cloud-nine, then dont be so pathetic by posting shrunk down pict which shows nothing at all. All I see from your shrunken pict is just a lot of hot air.
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